Strange SP glitch (Haven)

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  1. Sep 9, 2011 #41 of 106
    Rob Helmerichs

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    You don't need to delete the repeater, just move it down in the SP list. Other than that, yes, you've got it.

    FRO will pick up any show that A) is not a rerun (i.e., it aired for the first time in the past 28 (I think) days) , and B) hasn't been recorded in the past 28 (I think) days.
     
  2. Sep 9, 2011 #42 of 106
    JoeTaxpayer

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    Thanks Rob. The conflict will occur 9/20 which hasn't loaded yet, so by tomorrow I'll see how the TiVo handles it.

    For what it's worth, we had the hurricane Irene cause a cable outage (nothing else, so I'm grateful) and Sunday night one show didn't record. A few night later, the TiVo recorded it for us. I thought that was pretty cool.
     
  3. Sep 9, 2011 #43 of 106
    lpwcomp

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    No need to delete and recreate it. Just move it using Season Pass Manager - that's what it's for. And no, it doesn't need to be set for "all shows".

    The fastest way to get into "Season Pass Manager" is to hit a "1" on the remote when at "TiVo Central".
     
  4. Sep 9, 2011 #44 of 106
    Rob Helmerichs

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    TiVo's pretty freakin' amazing that way. Glitches like this Haven one are rare, and it remains more powerful and flexible than any other DVR software I've ever seen.
     
  5. Sep 9, 2011 #45 of 106
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    And the "Haven" problem needs to be addressed at the source - either Tribune or SYFY.
     
  6. Sep 9, 2011 #46 of 106
    JoeTaxpayer

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    If it weren't recording at all, I'd understand there's an issue needs fixing. But it recorded just fine, making the list just 3 days before airing. What do you think changed that it showed up at that time?
     
  7. Sep 9, 2011 #47 of 106
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Something buried in the Guide Data that tells TiVo it's not a repeat.

    Last week, it didn't get fixed in time. Whoever is messing up the Guide Data (Syfy or Tribune) needs to resolve the problem that's causing the glitches, instead of just fixing it on a week by week basis.
     
  8. Sep 10, 2011 #48 of 106
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    What's missing is the "Original Air Date" (TiVo's term), "First Aired" date (on Zapit (Tribune)).
     
  9. Sep 10, 2011 #49 of 106
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    I believe that TiVo needs both, an "Original Air Date" (TiVo's term), "First Aired" date AND a NEW tag from the Guide provider. Without the NEW tag the TiVo will assume it is a Repeat.

    See my posting for Doctor Who on page 1, repeated below:

    09/03/11 - "Doctor Who" BBC America - Not Scheduled to record - New episode, Listed as Repeat in Guide.

    Doctor Who had the correct "First Aired" date in the TiVo Guide Data, so why did it list it as a Repeat? Zap2It does not show the 09/03/11 episode as "New". Does Tivo also look at the "New" tag to determine whether to record?
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  10. Sep 10, 2011 #50 of 106
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    What does your "Recording History" say is the reason that episode of "Doctor Who" wasn't recorded?
     
  11. Sep 10, 2011 #51 of 106
    Rob Helmerichs

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    I don't think TiVo looks at the "New" tag...
     
  12. Sep 10, 2011 #52 of 106
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    Update - To spell things out - on Tuesday nights, my wife and I wanted to record Body of Proof and Parenthood. And The Kid wanted The Rachel Zoe Project. All at 10pm, but the Zoe is a Bravo chanel and repeats same night, at 11pm.
    I took the advice here, and online just rearranged priorities, so of these three shows, Zoe was third. 9/20 is now in my to do list, all three shows will record with the Zoe recording at 11. All three ask for 'first run' only. This is excellent.

    No sign of the 9/16 Haven yet.
     
  13. Sep 10, 2011 #53 of 106
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    As an experiment, I went in and added BBCA to the channels I recieve (I don't actually receive it, you understand. It's not in the "Digital Starter" package). I then created an FRO SP for "Doctor Who" and it added the first showing of all of the upcoming episodes whose "Original Air Date" falls within the range that TiVo uses to determine whether or not it is new, even those identified as a repeat.

    I suppose it is possible that the scheduling algorithm behaves differently when you initially create a Season Pass, but I doubt it.

    I did notice one rather odd thing. When I created the SP, it had one showing (09/18 12AM) in the "Will NOT record" list because of a conflict. Since this is a repeat of the 09/17 9PM showing, it shouldn't be recorded anyway. I told it to get all episodes of the season pass and it worked like it is supposed to - it didn't actually schedule that showing to record nor did it cancel the conflicting recording. I guess it checks for conflicts before it checks to see if it is already being recorded earlier.
     
  14. Sep 11, 2011 #54 of 106
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    I sent feedback to syfy.com asking them if they were no longer providing "First Aired Date" in their episode information for "Haven" that they send to Tribune. I should have gone further as they don't appear to be providing anything beyond the episode title.
     
  15. Sep 11, 2011 #55 of 106
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    That One Episode of Doctor Who on 09/03/11 at 9PM EST / 6PM PST was a unique glitch where the First Run Date was correct but the TiVo guide listed it as a Repeat and Zap2It did not have a New tag. My Cox DVR with Rovi guide data also listed it as a Repeat. I ended up setting a One Time recording for the re-airing later that evening, so I do not know how TiVo would have handled recording that episode on it's own.
     
  16. Sep 11, 2011 #56 of 106
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    Is there a way to see both Recording Conflicts when setting a Season Pass?

    Usually the TiVo only shows one of the two Recording Conflicts and only gives the option of not recording one of the Conflicts. However if I set the Season Pass up from the Guide Listings and not the Search, I do see both conflicts.

    If I go into Season Pass Manager it also only lists one of the two scheduled recordings for that time. How do I see both conflicts so I can decide which one to modify.

    Is flipping back and forth between the To Do List and the Season Pass Manager, the only way to resolve conflicts? I am talking about three Major Network Prime Time shows that will not have a repeat episode. If so, that is pathetic, my Cox DVR is able to resolve conflicts much easier and on the same Menu. The To Do List should show conflicts and have the ability to resolve them in that one place.
     
  17. Sep 15, 2011 #57 of 106
    JoeTaxpayer

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    Tomorrow's Haven is still not showing. I put in one TiVo to do it manually. We'll see what the other two do.
    Considering the surreal nature of the show, it's ironic to me this is the show having issues. Kind of like when I woke with my first bloody nose in 40 years, and the shirt I bled on said "give blood." It was free from a day I donated. Completely unrelated, I know.
     
  18. Sep 15, 2011 #58 of 106
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Maybe if you hadn't worn that shirt that day, we wouldn't be having this problem. Didja ever think of that? Huh? Didja?!?

    :D
     
  19. Sep 15, 2011 #59 of 106
    JoeTaxpayer

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    LOL. Of course I did. :) cause and effect is a strange thing.....
     
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    *ALERT**ALERT* *** THREAD HIJACKING ATTEMPT *** *ALERT**ALERT*
     

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