Tried for the second time to get a good deal on the HR10-250. I politely pushed and prodded and she even put me on hold for five minutes to see if she could do anything better. $399 HR10-250 ($599 - $200 instant credit) $10 off for 12 months $10 off HBO for six months 3 free months of HD package Piss poor compared to some of these deals. The chick knew about the forum as soon as I said I had friends and coworkers that had received better deals in the $200 range. She said that most of the posters are not being entirely forthcoming or don't really understand the deal they received. Soooo, I think my best bet at this point is to pay $479 for a new HR10-250 from an online dealer and then turn in the $200 mail in rebate. That brings it down to $279 and shipping will only be $6.00 this way. At the point of activation, she said I'd still have the programming discounts available. Anybody know of a better deal outside of direct dealing with D*?