Star Trek:TNG "The Icarus Factor" (S2E14)

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  1. doom1701

    doom1701 Time for a new Title TCF Club

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    I meant to watch this tonight, but found myself watching "Family" and "The Wounded" from season 4 instead. I don't really remember The Icarus Factor, but those two episodes from Season 4 blew me away. :)

    Hopefully I can watch and comment tomorrow.
     
  2. LoadStar

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    This is an episode that I don't know quite what to say about. It was one of those that was just OK for me... not great, not horrible. Neither the A plot nor the B plot did anything for me.

    I didn't really buy that Kyle Riker would be that well known by random rank and file starfleet officers, and it just seemed like too much of a coincidence that Pulaski would have been in a relationship with him. I did, however, like the casting decision, and Mitchell Ryan portrayed the strained relationship with Will Riker pretty well.

    As for the B plot, to me it would seem that Worf should have found it more offensive and isolating that he would have to get his rocks off in a holodeck simulation, instead of an actual Klingon ceremony with real live Klingons. But besides that, it just seemed to be a mostly extraneous bit of Klingon lore, not one that really added much.

    The rare C plot (the odd readouts in Engineering) was probably more amusing to me, just because of the way it featured Data coming to the defense of Geordi's pride. I also liked the comedic timing at the end as they learned that the conclusion was exactly Data's suggestion, and having Data mimic Picard's body language.
     
  3. DougF

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    I've already mentioned this in the "Time Squared" thread. But it bugged me that Riker and Pulaski mentioned Kyle there, but she gave no indication that she even knew him, much less would have married him. But, I'm sure that relationship was invented in the writer's room too late to have been a factor in the previous ep.

    I agree with Loadstar. Not great, not horrible and good casting of Mitchell Ryan as Kyle Riker.
     
  4. doom1701

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    It is interesting how two episodes that were probably written totally independent of each other could significantly reference the same never before used character (Riker's Dad). Probably total coincidence.
     
  5. doom1701

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    OK, I'm 15 minutes in, and the "Ew!" factor with Pulaski and Riker's dad is really, really wigging me out.
     
  6. doom1701

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    Someone got some Tron in my American Gladiators!

    I will agree that it wasn't horrible. Bad, yes, but not horrible. Just to address the plots independently:

    1. Riker and Riker: So much was brought up here, but not resolved. I especially wish they would have done something about the recurring lack of confidence that Kyle Riker showed in his son--catching the fish for him, showing up when Will was offered his first command almost in a "You can't do this without me" sort of fashion. Maybe it was mentioned during the fight at the end...I pretty much zoned out at that point.

    I almost feel like someone told the showrunners "No, you can't have an episode without some sort of action--change that ending to have Riker beat up his dad!"

    2. Worf's anniversary thing. That really felt like an episode of an 80's sitcom. I almost expected a laugh track at some points. And it really didn't make sense for this to mean anything to Worf. If anything, I'd agree with LoadStar--Worf should have been offended that they took some important ceremony for him and reduced it to a spectator event on the Holodeck.

    3. The ship issues--I wonder if this was originally a larger plotline? Seemed like it served little purpose.
     
  7. alansh

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    They seemed convinced that the audience would be bored by an episode that was strictly character conflicts, so they almost always threw in a token "danger to the ship" subplot for those episodes.
     
  8. doom1701

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    At least they learned their lesson later. The two season 4 episodes I watched this weekend were entirely character and/or plot driven.
     
  9. Bryanmc

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    After seeing movies like The Matrix, it was a pretty poor showing for "the ultimate evolution of martial arts."
     
  10. LoadStar

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    After seeing "American Gladiators," it was a pretty poor showing for "the ultimate evolution of martial arts."

    :)
     

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