Star Trek:TNG "Symbiosis" (S1E23)

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  1. doom1701

    doom1701 Time for a new Title TCF Club

    May 15, 2001


    OAD 4/18/1988

    This is just going to be a placeholder for me--I'm not staying up tonight to watch a third episode. And I don't remember *anything* about this one to even make an early comment.

    Edit: Just looked at Wikipedia--how could I forget an episode that had *both* Kirk's son David and Khan's boyfriend?
  2. LoadStar

    LoadStar LOAD"*",8,1

    Jul 24, 2001
    Milwaukee, WI
    Oh, geez. I forgot about this episode until now. Welcome to the 80's, ladies and gentlemen, and the peak of the War On Drugs. All we needed in this episode was Nancy Regan appearing as some alien diplomat to deliver a "Just Say No" speech.

    I did love the opening bit with Picard trying to communicate with the alien ship. From beginning to end, it reminded me of 90% of the calls I have to take while working the IT Help Desk at work. :p I might have to go back and watch that section over again.

    As with the last episode, their allegorical message was delivered with the subtlety of a sledgehammer upside the head. The drug dealers were pimped out in the finest in 80's silver and gold lamé; the druggies were in their finest homeless apparel. ;) The episode reached its zenith with that painful PSA that masqueraded as a scene on the bridge, with Wesley being all doe-eyed and innocent, and Tasha the world-weary expert on drug addiction. It's only too bad Wil hasn't written the "Memories of the Future Part II" book yet, because I'd love to hear his thoughts on this scene.

    I did kind of like that in TOS, Kirk would've probably said to hell with the prime directive, but here, Picard not only stayed solidly in line with it, he even used it to the advantage of the druggies.
  3. JYoung

    JYoung Series 3

    Jan 16, 2002
    Los Angeles
    Drugs are bad...hhmmm'mkay?
  4. kaszeta

    kaszeta $nullstring TCF Club

    Jun 11, 2004
    Grantham, NH
    I always remeber Judson Scott (Khan's buddy), since he also made a Voyager appearance.

    That was a bad episode. I could use some felicium.
  5. DougF

    DougF Well-Known Member

    Mar 18, 2003
    North Dakota


    Take away that awful scene of Tasha explaing drugs to Wesley and I like this one. Sure, the message was heavy-handed but it was reflective of the time.

    Plus, the fangasm-inducing stunt-casting of Merritt Buttrick and Judson Scott worked. I think they were great in their roles.
  6. Bryanmc

    Bryanmc I'm normal.

    Sep 5, 2000
    I'm finally caught up with you guys. The entire Prime Directive direction that Next Gen takes really bugs me. I think in the novels it's particularly clear that the Prime Directive applies to pre-warp societies (with First Contact being forbidden before warp as well). But in several Next Gen episodes they seem to not be able to help anyone, except for the times when they break it of course. ;)

    That PSA on the bridge was SOOOOO painful. You could almost see the producers responding to Denise Crosby's complaint about no screen time by giving her that scene. "You want more screen time, HERE'S your screen time baby."

    I would love to see the footage of shock frozen Riker without the special effects. I bet it would be pretty funny.
  7. doom1701

    doom1701 Time for a new Title TCF Club

    May 15, 2001
    You chose a strange episode to comment on now that you're caught up. Hope you have the chance to mention something about the good episodes.

    It seems that the big "Prime Directive" talk diminishes after the first season. I think that was another one of those Roddenberry things.
  8. JYoung

    JYoung Series 3

    Jan 16, 2002
    Los Angeles
    1. The novels aren't canon and I don't know why you'd get that impression from that.

    2. Yes, Kirk played fast and loose with it but there are hints in TOS that it doesn't apply just to Pre-Warp cultures.
    While Capellans of Friday's Child may or may not have been Pre-Warp (certainly they knew about advanced civilizations), there were concerns expressed about interfering with their local customs and taboos (not that it stopped Kirk).

    And in the Cloud Minders, Plasus threatened Kirk with reporting him for violating the Prime Directive on Ardana, a full member of the Federation.

    (David Gerrold tells an interesting story on how his solution to the problem was originally written.
    He had Kirk take a phaser, point it at the two opposing leaders and go,
    "You, sit there."
    "You, sit there."
    "Now talk."
    The point being that he didn't solve their problem for them, he just got them on the road to solving their problem.)

    It would seem to me that it would have to apply to FTL cultures as well, otherwise Starfleet could endorse Spock's brother in his bid for Vulcan Congress (if he had a brother, of course).

    How soon you forget their Non-interference in the Klingon Civil War.

    Their walking away from the Super Soldier incident on Angosia III.

    The incident of Ambassador Kell and leaving him to Governor Vagh (heck, they were there to show they were not violating the Prime Directive by supplying arms to the rebels).

    Their letting the Borallans die when their atmosphere was destroyed even though they could have saved them.
    (That one really bothered me.)

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