Star Trek:TNG "Encounter at Farpoint (Parts 1 and 2)" (OAD 9/28/87)

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  1. kmccbf

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    They were still better than the pajama's in Star Trek The Motion Picture.

    I also recently rewatched this episode, and like it better now than I did then. I still don't like it much. I don't really think the series begain to click until second season.

    I remember the the horror that Picard's "We Surrender" caused among old Trekkies (they hadn't started calling themselves Trekkers at this point if I remember right.)

    Riker getting a beard was a big improvement to his looks and for some reason his acting.
     
  2. LoadStar

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    Yeah, something like that. :)

    Do we really have to spoiler tag these? I mean, I would think that everyone would know that these are re-watch threads...

    In any case, it seems pretty obvious, particularly in these early episodes, that the characters of Riker and Troi (and the actors chosen to portray them) were modeled very heavily upon the characters of Decker and Ilia from Phase Two and The Motion Picture. In particular, Frakes, without the beard, is somewhat similar in appearance to Stephen Collins, and Sirtis adopted a distinct accent that echoed that of Persis Khambatta.
     
  3. kmccbf

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    I really did just for the fun of it.
     
  4. kaszeta

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    As I mentioned in the other thread, on re-watching this was worse than I remembered. But it was a pilot, and also one where they felt they needed to introduce most everything at once.

    Mostly, I'm glad they changed Data a lot. He was comically bad in this episode, and got a lot better even by halfway through the first season.
     
  5. DougF

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    Pain.....pain.
     
  6. Magister

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    Watching it as a 17yo, this was a VERY cool episode 2 parter. But upon rewatching, I did think it took a LONG time between events. The saucer seperation was so cool in 1987, but watching it again I couldn't help but think 'WTF did they do that again?'

    There was Dr Who (Tennent) episode that used a captured creature as a secret power source. I felt it was directly based on this episode.
     
  7. DougF

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    It certainly wasn't as awesome as I thought it was when I was 16. It also wasn't as bad as I feared it would be upon rewatching for the first time in many years.

    The McCoy appearance is still awesome, though a bit far-fetched.

    Dudes in skirts? Glad that was dropped.

    Heard a Data contraction-usage I hadn't noticed before.

    Overall a weak story, but I'm grateful that it introduced us to Q. He provided some great moments over the years.
     
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    He did, but certainly not yet. The Q of Encounter at Farpoint and Hide and Q later this season was campy.

    Most of Q's appearances were a little suspect, but as the series progressed, both John De Lancie's treatment and the writing of the character did improve. "Q Who" was decent as Q introduced us to the Borg. And "Deja Q" in Season 3, "Tapesty" in Season 6, and "All Good Things...." were all rather well done.
     
  9. JLucPicard

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    All of the "it seemed better so many years ago" type references got me to thinking if the anticipation and finally the coming of a new Star Trek series maybe made things a lot better than they actually were, but we were all seeing through a slightly different (excited for it to be here) prism?
     
  10. Church AV Guy

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    When I watched this the first time, when the series first started, I was so VERY turned-off by it that I didn't watch another episode of TNG for two or three years! It was only after a friend painstakingly convinced me that the show got much better did I decide to give the show another try. Later it would become one of my favorite shows, but Encounter really turned me off. Much later I saw it again, and I was still surprised at how badly it was done compared to the season three and later episodes. For me, the show really didn't really click until they got rid of Pulaski. It made another jump forward when they lost Wheaton.

    And didn't Denise Crosby make a poor career decision?
     
  11. Magister

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    Most agree that the show got MUCH better Season 3. I was a teenager watching when this first started, it was the best thing ever. I don't remember bitching at all.

    I think Denise Crosby's first film after dumping TNG was Pet Sematary. She never did better than that.
     
  12. vman41

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    What I remember about the pilot was the effort they put into the surround sound. The original Enterprise had a detachable saucer, but Rodenberry never got a chance to work it into TOS.
     
  13. doom1701

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    Well, "detachable" is a pretty broad term. The saucer was (according to later writings--who knows what the original plan was in the TOS days) able to serve as a lifeboat, but it was pretty much connected and explosives had to be used to blow it apart from the engineering section.

    Speaking of the separation and docking--what is up with sci-fi in general having this trope of the captain telling some other officer "I want you to do a manual docking/landing/departure/whatever"? Riker is supposed to bring to giant spacecraft together and dock them by giving orders to other people, while the computer could have done the job at no risk? Sure, it's there for the fake tension, but it gets old time after time.
     
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    Not just the pilot, but the entire TNG series. I got surround right around S3/S4, and while it was mainly just background bridge & engine sounds, it really became an immersive experience. I remember once turning off the front speakers just so I could listen to the bridge effects. Awesome stuff.

    Sulu manually piloting the shuttlecraft into the docking bay in Star Trek V comes to mind. :)

    Greg
     
  15. doom1701

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    Ultimately, if you're comparing anything to Star Trek V, it's not necessarily a good thing. :) I would accept that one more than the manual starship docking, though. There's a difference between flying a tiny ship through a hole, and docking two giant ships together with absolute precision.
     
  16. DougF

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    What bothered me about the manual docking is that Riker got the credit for it, but he really didn't do a damn thing other than give obvious instructions.
     
  17. mattack

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    It was her later outfits that were uneven, right? That bugged the heck out of me.
     
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    I think Troi and Erin Grey on Buck Rogers re-runs were the first women that made me feel funny. :)
     
  19. DougF

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    Erin Grey on Buck Rogers reruns still makes me feel funny.
     
  20. whitson77

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    Look her up now. You'll be cured. :D
     

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