Star Trek: Picard S1E10 Et in Arcadia Ego: Part 2 (SEASON FINALE) - Spoilers

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  1. Turtleboy

    Turtleboy Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Mar 24, 2001
    Ft. Lauderdale


    Pretty predictable finale. Lots of people called it. The golem was for Picard - or at least they ended up using it for him. Even though it was predictable, I'm glad there wasn't any out of left field WTF moments.


    1. The synths can always rebuild the beacon, right? They can do it next week.

    2. The Romulans also realize this and can come back and destroy them all next week. It just seemed a little unfulfilling. Why wouldn't the Romulans come back and kill them all.

    3. Was the hand holding between Raffi and Seven at the end supposed to be indicative of something more to their relationship? It seemed a little too close for "just friends".

    I guess next season is going to be Picard and this crew going on missions, seeking out new life and civilizations, etc. We know that (casting/character spoiler)

    that Guinan/Whoopi Goldberg is going to be in the next season at some point
  2. martinp13

    martinp13 Roller coaster addict :)

    Mar 19, 2001
    Fort Worth, TX
    As Marvin would say, "Where's the earth-shattering kaboom???" No dire straits cliffhanger? They had the perfect opportunity when Picard died. If I remember the timeline right, Picard was ok'ed for a second season before the first one had started to air. Season 1 may have already been in the can. So it's possible they thought "We may just get one season out of this, so let's end it on a good note. We will have set up for the future, if we get renewed."

    I complete agree with 1 and 2 above, especially 2. Seriously, the Zhat Vash is going to leave that planet alone??? They've spent lifetimes trying to find that planet to "sterilize" it.

    When Oh was on the warbird, she said something and the CC gave her another name, sounded Romulan. Forgot to go back and check. :/
  3. crazywater

    crazywater USS TiVo NCC-1780

    Mar 7, 2001
    Complete and utter trash! I can't believe I was able to get through this garbage. But I had to see what they were going to do to completely destroy Star Trek.
  4. lalouque

    lalouque Quilter-Cat Slave TCF Club

    Feb 11, 2002
    Raleigh, NC
    All this just to finally kill off Data? And Spot only got to guest star in 1 episode??
  5. Craigbob

    Craigbob Well-Known Member

    Dec 1, 2006
    Land of...


    I'm going to have to think about this some more, but to me this had a sense of Star Trek: Generations for me. The synth's using the tower trying to open the portal was similar to Soren trying to destroy the sun so the Nexus Ribbon would intersect where he was standing on the platform. Only in this case Kirk I mean Picard lives. To me is was too familiar.

    So is the rest of Starfleet in the know that Admiral Oh was working with the Romulans all along? I bet they feel stupid.

    So Riker never retired as a Captain. I'd have thought he'd make Commodore at least.

    I understand why they didn't have the Enterprise, but It would've been a nice touch.

    Data is gone, but Brett Spiner can still appear as Soong. Win-Win I guess. Plus there's still Lore ut there somewhere. I'm glad that I was wrong and that Soong did not turn out to be Lore in some form.

    Ought to be interesting what Next Season brings.
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  6. kdmorse

    kdmorse Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Jan 29, 2001
    Germantown, MD
    Yah, we were clearly overthinking things in the last thread. There didn't appear to be any deeper mysteries, it all played out extremely predictably. I think 'unfulfilling' describes it best. Not bad, just far less than was hoped for.

    Also, someone needs to go back to orbital Genocide 101. The Romulan+Cardassian fleet did it right in DS9 - exit warp, scan the planet, and open fire. No faffing about. If they had just opened fire any of the many times they took time out preparing to open fire, they would have completed their mission. Or, immediately opening fire on Picard would have worked as well. But no, apparently they decided to repeatedly set their targeting systems to 'dramatic pause' instead.

    Other lingering questions, what's to stop them from firing Data's simulation back up any time they need to? And what exactly was the otherworldly synth menace, it sure looked alot like the menace from ST: Discovery.
  7. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

    Oct 17, 2000
    I will say again, this whole season felt like a pilot episode...
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  8. Turtleboy

    Turtleboy Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Mar 24, 2001
    Ft. Lauderdale
    So because Agnes was helpful at the end, it's ok that she murdered Maddox?
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  9. Family

    Family Well-Known Member

    Jul 23, 2001
    I said I was out halfway through, but kept pushing on. There I admitted it!

    It was too network. The ending had the feel of a Disney series. I hung in because of what it once was, but there was nothing special.

    Can someone please explain why the doctor was welcomed back to the group so easily after killing her mentor? Lost attention there.

    I was a huge Star Trek fan from the original series. I'll watch season 2, but because of old connections, not because of the quality of the series.
  10. kdmorse

    kdmorse Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Jan 29, 2001
    Germantown, MD
    I think all is forgiven. I think all was forgiven two episodes ago.

    Doesn't mean it should be, or that it makes sense - but I think everyone's been fine with her for a while now.
  11. Tony_T

    Tony_T Well-Known Member

    Nov 2, 2017
    Well, at least the bomb that Soji threw into the air didn’t have a countdown clock ;)
  12. kdmorse

    kdmorse Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Jan 29, 2001
    Germantown, MD
    And she has one *hell* of a throwing arm... that looked like a pretty big boom.
  13. mattyro7878

    mattyro7878 Well-Known Member

    Nov 27, 2014
    Southern CT
    With a story that was humming along so strong I doubt any ending would have been truly satisfying. Best part is we have another ten episodes to look forward to.
  14. mattyro7878

    mattyro7878 Well-Known Member

    Nov 27, 2014
    Southern CT
    And yeah, Agnes should at least got hit with "Romulan Induced Manslaughter ".
  15. jeremy3721

    jeremy3721 MrTivo

    Feb 16, 2002
    East Tennessee
    Some great stuff but some really bad stuff too. At least they made sure we know they are woke with one of the most contrived suggestions of a lesbian relationship I’ve ever seen. Pandering level 11 right there.
  16. JYoung

    JYoung Series 3

    Jan 16, 2002
    Los Angeles
    I suspect the argument will be that Oh did more than meld with her but bent Jurati to her will.

    Still probably not a great idea to be like "It's all ok" around her now.
    I mean it's not like we have Worf to keep an eye on her.

    Now, I'm finding this better than the other Kurtzman efforts plus it's Patrick Stewart.
    But maybe it's just me, but I found the finale to be on the underwhelming side.

    Honestly, I think I would have respected them more if they had the fortitude to actually kill off Picard but they didn't. (Because what to we do for Season 2 then?)
    Bringing him back this way felt somewhat on the cheap side.

    Still I liked this a lot better than Discovery.
    (Ok, not a particularly high bar to clear.)
  17. TheSlyBear

    TheSlyBear Opinionated Walrus

    Dec 26, 2002
    Austin, TX
    A bit of a Ghost in the Shell vibe going on: does copying a consciousness really mean it's the same person?
  18. smbaker

    smbaker Well-Known Member

    May 24, 2003
    I thought the season finale sucked. There was no dramatic tension with the death of Picard as it was clear he would be reanimated before the end of the episode (Chekhov's Golem). Terminating Data seemed pretty silly, though I'm assuming Brent Spiner wanted it that way.

    The Romulan / Federation standoff looked like bad CGI from an amateur film.

    I did enjoy Riker's in the nick of time moment, he had a great presence in that scene. It's too bad they didn't throw a surprise in, like a Worf appearance.

    Mechanical doomsday transdimensional-aliens weren't all that disturbing, also had that bad CGI feel to them, and for some super-baddie who set up this whole season by engineering the admonition, they seemed trivially shooed away.

    As pointed out upthread, both threats (the synths and the Romulans) still exist, and the ships can return as fast as they bugged out. These were the Romulan super duper secret people, couldn't they have done something a little more subtle than fly 200 ships in to destroy the place by overwhelming brute force? Maybe they'll show up with a suitcase nuke next week.

    I enjoyed the rest of the season though.
  19. Worf

    Worf Well-Known Member

    Sep 15, 2000
    I'm guessing the part after everyone is mourning was filmed after season 2 was announced. The writers typically write to ensure they can continue to season 2 if renewed, but if not, they have an ending. In this case, Picard dies, while keeping the golem as a nefarious plot device that so happened to be useful as a season 2 continuation device if necessary.

    Looking at the broadcast time, it seems about right - the whole Data scene starts at the 1 hour mark (I catch it on broadcast TV, where it runs for 1h20m). Implying if the show was not renewed, they'd chop it at everyone mourning and that's that. But since it's renewed, the extra 20 minutes was used to bridge to season 2.

    Such is TV life these days - you don't want to end on a cliffhanger unless you know you're renewed - leaves too many sticky ends in case someone else wants to pick it up later on in the future, nevermind angering all the fans left with a hanging thread.

    As for the Romulans and Synths, well, the planet is in Federation space, so attacking it would be an act of war. And honestly, there are plenty of other border worlds in the same predicament. Plus, it's not like the secret Romulan group is a secret anymore - they are known to both sides and are no longer just thought to be a tale. The synths could always use the beacon, but I suspect Soji was the only one who had knowledge of how to do so and she's wanting to explore since the other synth was deactivated.

    I mean, if you're going to go through those, you might as well ask why the Borg aren't attacking all the time.

    And yes, this is classic Trek - always very divisive among fans, so at least CBS did something right.
  20. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

    Oct 17, 2000
    I doubt very, very much that they brought everybody back (or even would have been able to) and rebuilt the sets for such extensive reshoots several months after filming ended! I'm the ending was as originally planned, with the option, as you suggest, for removing it if necessary.
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