Star Trek: Picard - S1E1 - 1/23/2020 - "Remembrance" - (Spoilers)

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  1. Jan 24, 2020 #21 of 104
    JYoung

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    BTW, pretty piss poor security at Starfleet Headquarters if armed commandos can just transport in like that.
     
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    Amnesia

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    To be fair, they were outside. Perhaps there are shields to prevent unauthorized transport inside the building... And that was the Archive---not necessarily the building with the highest security...
     
  3. Jan 24, 2020 #23 of 104
    kdmorse

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    And let's face it, every shielding technology that worked yesterday, is going to fail today to a scrappy bunch of bad guys with new technology. It's a Star Trek (and sci-fi) staple... First you invent the cloaking device, then the things that can see through cloaking devices, then the better cloaking devices that defeat the things that can see through cloaking devices, then the thing that can see through the better cloaking de....etc... You build the phasers, then someone develops shields, then you rotate your phaser frequencies, then they adapt to the rotation, then you... multi-phasic...quantum..thingamabooby. Both the good guys and the bad guys advance as the plot requires ;)
     
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    Craigbob

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    Another thought occurred to me. Will they address the status of Romulan/Vulcan reunification? It was something that Spock was actively pursuing. I wonder how far he got if at all. So many questions to have answered that remained open at the end of TNG/DS9.
     
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    JYoung

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    Considering what we were told about the Synth attack on Mars/Utopia Planitia, I'd think that security would be much stricter in a post Mars world and would actively prohibit unauthorized beaming into the campus with shields, transporter scramblers, etc.
    (I mean how many hoops does one have to go through to get on a commercial airliner post 9/11?)

    So they shouldn't try?

    Why do you hate the Federation?
     
  6. Jan 24, 2020 #26 of 104
    doom1701

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    I enjoyed it; I wonder if they're really setting up a complex story or if it will wind up being a mustache twirling bad buy reveal like they did with Discovery Season 2. It seems like they're implying there's something much larger that went after Dahj, and perhaps that's why they were easily beaming around the Archives (and the outfits felt very similar to Starfleet security).

    I hope we get a lot more on the Romulan evacuation (and it's failure) and the synth attack (and why--that seems out of place in Star Trek lore). In the first episode both of those items felt more like convenient plot devices, but I'm sure that will change.
     
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  7. Jan 24, 2020 #27 of 104
    Mike Lang

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    I think I saw most of the next generation episodes back in the day but I wouldn't call myself a trekkie geek by any means.

    I watched this but felt more like a desperate attempt to keep the "all access" service relevant in a sea of better options by relying on old guys who'll watch anything Star Trek related.
     
  8. Jan 24, 2020 #28 of 104
    Amnesia

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    One thing I noticed in the opening credit is that it mentions that it was "based upon Star Trek: The Next Generation, created by Gene Roddenberry". AFAIK, this is the first Star Trek property (after TOS) to say it is based on anything other than "Star Trek, created by Gene Roddenberry".

    Even Star Trek: Nemesis didn't claim to be based upon TNG...
     
  9. Jan 24, 2020 #29 of 104
    keirgrey

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    Maybe, but I had resisted Discovery. It was only when they announced Picard that we signed up for CBSAA. On Patrick Stewart's performances alone.

    Loved it, for the record.
     
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  10. Jan 24, 2020 #30 of 104
    Bierboy

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    Indeed!
     
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    Bierboy

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    I saw the name Eugene Roddenberry somewhere in the opening credits; he's the son of Gene R. Apparently he's the Exec. Prod. of Discovery (which I had never noticed since I FF thru credits). I didn't FF thru these since it was the first ep.
     
  12. Jan 24, 2020 #32 of 104
    doom1701

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    I saw that too--I was wondering (but didn't go to any of the movies or other materials) to see if it was the first one that was shown as "Based on TNG".
     
  13. Jan 24, 2020 #33 of 104
    KungFuCow

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    That and the warp drive going offline at just the right moment. I never noticed how often they used that excuse until I rewatched Voyager.

    "Mr Paris, get us out of here"
    "Warp drive is offline"
     
  14. Jan 24, 2020 #34 of 104
    foghorn2

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    More garbage from CBS, and they want you to pay for their garbage. Wheres Moonves by the way?
     
  15. Jan 24, 2020 #35 of 104
    OrangeCrush

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    I really enjoyed this. I grew up watching TNG, so this is like visiting old friends. I think it's also very timely and relevant in today's world but has so far not come off as too on-the-nose or preachy. I watched Discovery and it was "OK" but it never really felt like Star Trek to me. This does.

    In retrospect, I agree. I wish I went in to this totally cold. No pre-show discussions, no context other than "it's got Picard," and let all the surprises hit with full force. I also know there's no damn way I would've had the self control to actually do that, but I am going to try a lot harder to avoid spoilers and previews for the rest of the season.

    Starfleet has a long and storied history of awful and incompetent security, lol. About the only department worse than them is the Occupational Hazard & Workplace Safety group!
     
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    PJO1966

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    I wish they had done something to Data's face to make him look less puffy. It was distracting.

    I really enjoyed it. It looked great. He was great. I liked the two Romulans living with him. I'd like to think that by the time this story takes place we will have stopped butchering dogs ears, but that's another story. I loved that he had a pitbull, but Patrick Stewart is a strong advocate and ally. i thought it was an altogether good first episode to introduce new characters and set the stage. I did not anticipate Dahj dying in the first episode after we had just gotten to know her. I'm not usually surprised by stuff like that, but that one got by me.

    Was Data's sacrifice covered in one of the feature films? I think I saw them all, but haven't watched them since they were in theaters. It's been a while.
     
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    Rob Helmerichs

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    Star Trek: Nemesis.
     
  18. Jan 24, 2020 #38 of 104
    PJO1966

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    Thanks.
     
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    I assumed this was going to be meh (but subscribed anyway) and was pleasantly surprised. I thought it was very well done.
     
  20. Jan 24, 2020 #40 of 104
    kdmorse

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    For anyone interested in a little more backstory, there is a three part comic series, "Picard: Countdown" that includes some past events. I suspect open discussion of it is out-of-bounds, but it does fill in a little bit of story surrounding the evacuation of the Romulan empire. It's pretty much a stand-alone story, but gives a little insight as to who was where doing what and why.

    Only 2 of the 3 parts are out yet. The conclusion comes out... on the 27th?
     

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