Star Trek: Discovery - S3 E8 "The Sanctuary"

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  1. Rob Helmerichs

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    That is correct. We've seen ships at warp speed with dilithium.

    The reason Discovery is so valuable (more valuable than they seem to be treating it!) is that it can go so much faster than warp speed, without dilithium.
     
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    Which leads to a question I've had. I would imagine that almost 1,000 years in the future they could reverse engineer the spore-drive. Why haven't they? Or why haven't they at least talked about retrofitting their current starships with it?
     
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    It is rational for the Admiral to ensure the Spore Drive isn't proliferated either by hard research or quick and dirty espionage.

    It is a bonus if he remains in charge of the one and only Spore Drive in his universe.
     
  4. Saturn_V

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    And it's not clear if anyone else besides Stamets can operate the spore drive. I'm certain they're setting up Adira Tal as a possible operator.
     
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    I still find it odd when the reason given that the Discovery can’t go somewhere is that it needs to be on standby to go somewhere else and there’s no time for it to go on a different mission.

    It can literally go anywhere instantly. There’s no reason it can’t jump from a mission to where ever else it’s needed. The only excuse to not send Discovery is if there’s a risk of it being destroyed.
     
  6. kdmorse

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    Plot Convenience: Long range communication is still borked up. There's no way to reach the Discovery when it's off hopping about. ;)
     
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    And to restrict as much as possible awareness of the existence of the technology.

    As the Admiral told his elite officers, need to know only.

    (Saru should show more caution about leaving port to fly the Disco flag)
     
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  8. BitbyBlit

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    Yeah.

    Adira said they only shared their gender identity with their boyfriend. Which means they went through most of their life being referred to as a "she".

    This only makes sense if non-binary people were still being pressured into traditional gender roles in the 32nd century.

    Yet we have seen no indication that this is the case outside of that one conversation between Adira and Stamets.

    There is a difference between making social commentary via allegory and nearly breaking the fourth wall by having the characters do something completely out of place for their setting.

    It would have been better to have introduced Adira as being non-binary from the beginning, and have everyone just accept that as normal.
     
  9. BitbyBlit

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    I agree that it sounds "wrong". But that's only because that's the grammar we are used to.

    "You" used to also be plural-only. The correct way to refer to an individual in second person was "thou".

    But I'm assuming thou, like me, would consider the use of "thou" to be antiquated.

    "You" being both plural and singular and "they/them" being plural-only is completely arbitrary.

    "You" being singular seems right and "they/them" being singular seems wrong only because that's the language that is familiar to us.

    And while it does take some getting used to, I think using "they/them" is far better than the other movement to come up with pronouns for all the different possible genders on the spectrum. That, to me, is way overcomplicating language. In my opinion, we should be going the other way, and de-genderizing language. In most cases, whether the person is a he, she, or they doesn't matter. And when it does, something other than a pronoun can be used.
     
  10. Rob Helmerichs

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    Technically, "you" used to be plural...or formal singular. "Thou" was informal singular. So if you were speaking to your boss, you'd call them "you," but your brother would be "thou."
     
  11. BitbyBlit

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    Was that always the case, or was that merely a stepping stone on the way to "you" being singular for everyone?

    According to this article, "you" wasn't used even as formal singular until the 15th century.

    In any case, it is ironic that now "thou" is considered to be more formal than "you".
     
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  12. Rob Helmerichs

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    I've always heard it was somewhat earlier than that...post-Conquest, but still medieval.
    Indeed!
     

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