Star Trek: Discovery - S3 E6 "Scavengers"

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  1. eddyj

    eddyj Señor Member TCF Club

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    In any military (or quasi-military) organization, Burnham would be in jail, or would have been executed, already.
     
  2. eddyj

    eddyj Señor Member TCF Club

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    I am beginning to view Burnham as the Dr. Smith of this show. Her only purpose is to act in ways that will hurt her people, and then leave them scrambling to cover her actions.
     
  3. pgogborn

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    I was amused that she kept on saying she had changed. No she hadn't, she was the same old Burnham as demonstrated by what she did after Saru made her Number One.

    What remains a question mark is her choice in personal male relationships. Is Booker too good to be true, will he turn out to be as undeserving of trust as Ash Tyler? And on professional relationships would somebody as dangerous as Lorca still be able to pull the wool over her eyes.
     
  4. Rob Helmerichs

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    The difference is, her intentions are good. She just exercises spectacularly bad (and arrogant) judgement in how she goes about it.
     
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    I agree!

    I watched my fair share of Lost In Space and wondered why the Robinsons always seem to forget the last evil thing that Dr Smith did and trust him again. But almost everything he did was not for the good. But Michael's intentions are always good but the way she goes about it leaves much to be desired. Even in the early episodes of season 1 where she goes as far as pointing a phaser gun at the captain she has served with for several years I thought was really stupid!!

    But still a pretty good show and I do think that this season is the best as 930 years in their future gives them much more room for stories without being tied to cannon too much.

    Gerry
     
  6. eddyj

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    The Dr. Smith comment was not about her intentions, but about the results of her actions (always chaos).
     
  7. JYoung

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    Burnham didn't violate General Order 4 so no death penalty.

    I really didn't expect most people to agree with me about Burnham so this is a pleasant surprise.
     
  8. Worf

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    Except Starfleet isn't military. Sure they have military ships but they aren't a military organization.

    The Terran Empire though, is military.
     
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    In my book that makes Starfleet quasi-millitary.

    Pushing/testing the boundaries Burnham needs a good lawyer to check if any laws/penalties have changed in 900+ years - including the legal status of Star Fleet.
     
  10. JYoung

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    They have a military structure, perform military duties, and even have their own court system (as opposed to say the Merchant Marines).

    Sounds pretty military to me.
     
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    So, you believed Gene Roddenberry when he wrote that synthehol was invented by the Ferengi but didn't believe him when he wrote "Starfleet is not military organisation. It is a scientific research and diplomatic body"

    Let's look for a tie break:

    Starfleet is not a military organisation. Our purpose is exploration.
    --Captain Jean-Luc Picard
     
  12. JYoung

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    Easier to believe that synthehol was a Ferengi invention (which may have been a David Gerrold idea, not a Roddenberry one) than saying that something that looks like the military, acts like the military, performs the tasks of the military, isn't the military.

    Or Benjamin Sisko in Paradise Lost.

    Exploration, research, and diplomacy are not exclusively civilian activities.
    Naval vessels in the past have performed such tasks.

    Captain James Cook and the crew of the HMS Endeavour for one.

    Commodore Matthew Perry went on a diplomatic mission to Japan (albeit there was certainly an element of "gunboat" there). Other ship captains began negotiations with other leaders during their explorations.
    (Could Commodore Perry be played by actor Matthew Perry?)

    The first voyages of the USS Nautilus were for exploration and research.
     
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  13. Rob Helmerichs

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    Anybody who believes Starfleet is not a military (among other things) organization is delusional.* Those are some mighty powerful warships! Which are the first to be called when, well, y'know, WAR breaks out...

    *People who create things can be delusional about their creations as well, or even especially.
     
  14. eddyj

    eddyj Señor Member TCF Club

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    Yeah, the "we are not a military organization" is just self-serving propaganda. The reality trumps the propaganda.
     
  15. pgogborn

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    One of my favorite songs because it contains a universal truth, not because it is British / about Star Trek:



    Kirk:
    Ah! We come in peace, shoot to kill,
    Shoot to kill,
    Shoot to kill.
    We come in peace, shoot to kill,
    Shoot to kill, men

    I seem to recall a Klingon sarcastically referring to the Star Trek "We come in peace" line in the very first Star Trek: Discovery episode and Burnham's subsequent shoot first actions justifying the sarcasm.
     
  16. JYoung

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    When that Borg Cube appears in Federation Space, the nearest Federation Member World isn't going to call for Nyberrite Alliance. They're going to call for Starfleet.

    Voyage to the Bottom of Sea tried to thread that needle as well with the SSRN Seaview being a privately owned "research vessel" of a Marine Research Institute.

    A research vessel that frequently went on missions for the Navy, performed exercises with the US Navy, and was armed to the teeth with lasers, torpedoes, nuclear missiles.

    (Plus, they realized that the kids watching the show didn't care.)
     
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