Star Trek: Discovery - S3 E5 "Die Trying"

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  1. cwerdna

    cwerdna Proud Tivolutionary

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    I didn't know about some of the Easter Eggs like USS Nog (Eisenberg-class) until I'd heard about them at work and thru other sites.
     
  2. pgogborn

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    Not exactly an Easter Egg but the man with glasses is played by master of body and psychological horror David Cronenberg and when after being interogtated and Burnham saw her in the corridor one of the ways of interpretatiing the look on Philappa's face was she had just been psychologicaly water-boarded.

    Speaking of Burnham, Star Fleet is so uncertain what "The Burn" was it could have been a person.
     
  3. justen_m

    justen_m Cheesehead TCF Club

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    I totally missed that. I probably miss most of those references. I've re-watched most of TNG, DS9, Voy and Ent over the past few years, but just wouldn't make the connection.
    When I saw the interrogator, I knew he looked familiar, so I checked imdb. David Cronenberg, yup. I'm not sure where I've seen him before. Good casting choice. The scenes with him and Philippa were great.

    I could see that the burn was an attack by the mirror universe, maybe even masterminded by some version of Emperor Philippa.

    Lots of setup in the first five episodes. Looking forward to where the next 8(?) go.
     
  4. morac

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    Was the USS Voyager in this episode, the same one from Voyager?
     
  5. justen_m

    justen_m Cheesehead TCF Club

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    No. Someone (Tilly?) mentioned it was a later iteration... like the 10th or 11th Voyager? I don't remember the exact number.
     
  6. pgogborn

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    Tilly seemed to come to that conclusion using the trailing letter in the registration.
     
  7. getbak

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    It was Voyager J, which would be the 11th generation (the first generation has no letter, the second is "A" and so on).

    The first Voyager didn't come along until over 100 years after Discovery left for the future.
     
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    Fun fact, the future Gerald R. Ford-class nuclear aircraft carrier CVN-80 will be the ninth US Navy ship to bear the name USS Enterprise. The first was a sloop in the Revolutionary War. So 11 Voyagers over the course of 8+ centuries is plausible. At the rate ships get destroyed in the Star Trek universe, I'd have expected more. :)
     
  9. Worf

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    It's also possible that there were years/decades/centuries that went by without a Voyager being in the fleet - there aren't generational issues where if something happened to the USS Voyager, then the USS Voyager-A would be commissioned. It could be periods where there was no need for an Intrepid-class starship, so once the last got decommissioned, none existed for a while.

    The only requirement is that there doesn't exist two Voyagers that exist at the same time without a way to differentiate them.

    It's also ironic that the first spaceship Enterprise didn't actually go into space...
     
  10. pgogborn

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    My alternative theory to my theory about the strange look on Philappa's face.

    She hadn't been psychologically water boarded by Man in Glasses / David Cronenberg, she has been replaced by a Holo to spy on Burnham.

    Or maybe she is trying to conceal from Man In Glasses Burnham is the the person in the Discovery crew she cares about.
     
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  12. JYoung

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    • Ok, Discovery finds Pax Headquarters Starfleet Headquarters.
    • Head of Starfleet doesn't understand the Discovery crew is special, gosh darn it and immediately moves to break them up.
    • Discovery crew has prove that they still have worth despite being displaced by 900 years.
    • The crew pulls off a mission that proves their worth.

    Pretty paint by numbers with a fair amount of starship and tech porn thrown in.
    One hopes that Starfleet will give Discovery some upgrades because other than the Spore Drive, the ship isn't a match for a lot of other ships out there.

    BTW, AI Holograms still having a security flaw that Georgiou can blink her eyes to expose for hundreds of years doesn't speak well to Starfleet's security experts and cyber gurus.

    I'm not sure why they're writing Commander Nhan out considering that Rachel Ancheril was billed as main cast in at least two episodes this season.
    (Yes, I realize it wouldn't be that difficult to bring her back.)

    Also, given Starfleet's history with Admirals, you still have to consider that Admiral Vance is covering up critical information about "The Burn" and/or is responsible for it.

    I wonder what's the story behind the David Cronenberg guest spot.
     
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  13. martinp13

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    If The Burn was something done by someone or something external to the ship, it's just a monster to be defeated. If Discovery or something related to it caused The Burn, then we have internal conflict. Season 2 used that setup with the "breadcrumb" events, ending up with the twist of Michael being the one doing the events using the suit. I'd guess it's the angel suit or her Mom... dunno how, but it's gotta be something like that.
     
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    We are finally on the verge of reaching our destination. Federation and Starfleet headquarters. Separate entities that must now abide together;
    --Captain Saru's Log

    Where we sit now represents not just the headquarters of Starfleet Command, but also the entire civilian government of the United Federation of Planets. And it's been that way since The Burn.
    --The Admiral

    I think the people to be very afraid of are the civilians, particularly Man in Civilian Clothes David Cronenberg.

    I even wonder if a civilian caused The Burn with the intent of combining the headquarters.

    (I do not know if Georgiou's Section 31 outfit counts as civilian or military but perhaps it is intentionally fascistic)
     
  15. JYoung

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    I've already stated my belief that somehow Burnham and possibly the Discovery crew are responsible for the Burn.
     
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    Also, the "-A", "-B", etc suffix was really only used for "legendary ships".
    For example, there have been multiple Federation Starships named Hood, Excalibur, Defiant, and Lexington but each had different registry number.

    Voyager was probably the most famous of the Intrepid class vessels.
     

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