Star Trek: Discovery - S2 E14 (season finale) "Such Sweet Sorrow", part 2

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  1. cwerdna

    cwerdna Proud Tivolutionary

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    I liked all the action including the fight scenes (I like the fights between Georgiou and Leland) and plan to rewatch, at least in the background.

    As I was watching, I was thinking that the battle sequences would've be impossible on any budget in the late 60's w/having to use practical effects. I don't think the technology (e.g. motion control cameras) and techniques had been developed yet. And, even during TNG timeframe where they used practical effects (and not CGI for the external effects), there's NO way they could've done on it a TNG episode budget.

    One thing that bugs me about the ep is all the dialogue in the midst of combat.

    Also, when that torpedo detonated (and apparently took out a huge chunk of the saucer section), it bugged me that it seemed to have no visible effect to Pike behind the blast door. I'd have expected something...

    The ending sure had an interesting way of explaining why we'd never heard of Discovery, spore drive, Spock's foster sister, etc.

    "Hit it" from Pike seemed to be an homage (intentional reference?) to JJ-verse Pike. IIRC, TOS Pike said "engage".

    I just found Star Trek: Discovery Season 2 Episode 14 Easter Eggs & References. I did appreciate some of the similarities on the Enterprise bridge vs. TOS Enterprise, esp. w/the sound effects and Spock's station, including that black and white pattern.

    Beside what 'Star Trek: Discovery' Season 2 Finale Recap: When No One Has Gone Before - Geek.com about why the blast door couldn't be closed from the other side, why couldn't the admiral close it and then be beamed out?
     
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  2. vertigo235

    vertigo235 Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    JJ verse Pike said "Punch It"
     
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  3. Gunnyman

    Gunnyman Just a boring dude

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    I enjoyed this season and the finale but I wondered why they didn't just transport the torpedo away from the ship.
     
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  4. wprager

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    I thought I was watching BSG. Seriously, this was not Trek.

    And, yes, why is it every single appears to have a door that can only be closed or opened from the wrong side, vis-a-vis survival. They can take an instant image of a person at a subatomic level and reassemble the person in a different location, but they can't have a remote switch?
     
  5. vertigo235

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    Or a string/rope?

    Also don't they have someone less important that can be sacraficed? Why was the Admiral and Captain the only people investigating that undetonated torpedo?
     
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  6. Rob Helmerichs

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    The same reason Star Trek ships always send their entire frikkin' command staff on every away mission! :D
     
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  7. eddyj

    eddyj Señor Member TCF Club

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    Time is of the essence!!! Let have another soliloquy!
     
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  8. martinp13

    martinp13 Roller coaster addict :)

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    So, didn't child-Spock see the Red Angel when child-Michael ran away? And didn't Spock know the position of the 7 points BEFORE they happened? We still have to get Pike to Talos IV (although he's already been there? And been fixed up I guess?) to get his scooter. Although they deftly swept Discovery/Burnham/spore drive under the no-talk rug, they seem to have left a lot of strings untied.

    But everyone knew about Burnham (she was court-martialed, for goodness sake!), everyone in Starfleet knew about Discovery, and its spore drive was a known thingy. How does this all "erase" it from history? I guess it's enough to explain why the TOS crew never mentioned any of it.
     
  9. ej42137

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    Yes, Pike has already made his first visit to Talos IV. We saw that happen in TOS in "Cage/Menagerie" and in "If Memory Serves" in ST/Disco. He gets his scooter in a training accident, related in "Menagerie" and flashforwarded in "If Memory Serves". His final destination will be a virtual existence with Vina on Talos IV as related in "Menagerie" in TOS. (His physical body remains in the scooter.)

    Also, if you were acquainted with the Soviet Union in the first half of the 20th century you would be familiar with how people can be erased from history.
     
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    The script writers had an explanation that made my jaw drop:
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    Lieutenant Nicola: "Do we have anyone from Munitions available?
    Unknown Officer: "All occupied"
    Admiral: "I'll fix the door on-site".
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    The priority for those specialist Munitions Officers should have been to disarm a live unexploded torpedo that had penetrated the hull.

    In my opinion the omission of the remote switch is far more credible than the failure to redeploy the Munitions Officers. Star Fleet ignored the long standing warning "Don’t spoil the ship for a ha’porth of tar".

    (I used to think the expression refereed to using tar to stop water seeping through the wood planks of boats/ships, I later discovered that ship is an old regional pronunciation of sheep and tar was used to protect wounds on sheep from flies)
     
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  11. eddyj

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    It is as if the writers were so focused on wrapping up the story line, explaining why nobody on TOS knows anything about what has happened in this series, and setting up a new time/location for future seasons that they totally forgot how to write, and lost all common sense and their IQ dropped 100 points, all at the same time. The sheer stupidity of so many things in this episode was simply staggering.

    I admit that part of it was my dislike of time travel story lines in the first place, but only a small part. I will probably watch next season (it got renewed, right?), but only because I like the cast and sometimes they do it right. But please stop taking stupid pills before writing the episodes.
     
  12. Sparky1234

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    Good graphics but the story fizzled at the end to set up season 3.
     
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    I really didn't enjoy this season much at all. Found the story line(s) forced and dense. I had trouble following some of the "logic" in the story lines and for the most part didn't even want to expend the effort to try. Just not that interesting to me.
     
  14. wprager

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    Can I also add that I'm up-to-here with L'rel trying to talk with prosthetics all over her face and mouth. Why? Just why!
     
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    Yeah I was disappointed with this season too, with the exception of Capt Pike and the Enterprise nostalgic Enterprise bits.
     
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    Anyone else feel that this version of Star Trek (Discovery) is more like the Fast and Furious movies and not TNG Trek? Call me old fashioned, but I used to enjoy episodes where it wasn't all action all the time. Character only development episodes were enjoyable back then.

    "Now-a-days", even on this forum, if 15 different plots don't get pushed forward in a significant way, people say it was boring and nothing happened.
     
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  18. PJO1966

    PJO1966 Hi. What is this?

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    I loved this season and the finale. Yes I was bugged by people monologuing when time was of the essence, but it was still fun. I loved the look of the Enterprise bridge. Just enough design similarities to throw it back to TOS, but modernized as well.

    Speaking of remotes, was wondering why they couldn't rig the new angel suit with a remote control. Did it really need to be manned to get the job done?

    I'm interested to see where the plot takes us next season. Season 2 was a vast improvement over Season 1. Hopefully Season 3 will be yet another improvement.
     
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  19. ej42137

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    this! Not just ST:disco; nobody in the Dramaverse has any sense of urgency or proportion. Why are you talking when you should be moving!!!
     
  20. crazywater

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    Like the Stamets/Culber heart to heart as the ship is about to be destroyed? I mean, really? Add to that I really don't care about their relationship...at all! And there's something about the look of Culber that just creeps me out... maybe its his stare? I don't know but it bugs me...

    We need a Pike series. Now that is something I would definitely be interested in. The Enterprise bridge looked very cool, TOS-like and yet new and modern.
     
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