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Star Trek: Discovery 1/21/18 "Vaulting Ambition"

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Rob Helmerichs, Jan 21, 2018.

  1. vertigo235

    vertigo235 Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Probably using that same evil juice that Germany and Japan were drinking during WWII.
     
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  2. martinp13

    martinp13 YHTBMABIITY

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    This hit me this morning... if Stamets is trapped in the mycelium network, what the heck is a dead Culber doing there? I mean, Culber can be there dead, but how is he "alive"? Like the "ship" Stamets is wandering, is "Culber" a figment of the mycelium network's mind? I kind of accepted it at face value when I watched it, and when I started thinking about it (bad move, I know) I got a headache. :/
     
  3. JYoung

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    Or it's more likely that "Culber" is a figment of Stamets' mind.
    After all, Stamets acknowledged that he saw "Tyler" kill Culber.
     
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  4. doom1701

    doom1701 Time for a new Title

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    Either Culber is a figment of Stamets imagination, or they're implying some level of afterlife (like Stamets asked about).

    Honestly, it's lazy writing and an silly trope--lock someone in an alternative consciousness and then have a familiar character show up and lead them out.
     
  5. JYoung

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    Here's a thought, what if "Lorca" deliberately blew up the Buran because he was in danger of Discovery?
    Or to get to Discovery?
     
  6. martinp13

    martinp13 YHTBMABIITY

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    I would generally agree with you on the lazy writing, but the actual writer Skyped in for a lengthy interview, and he explained a lot. The title and many of the things that happened in the episode were inspired by Macbeth, so while he did use a lot of the same-old-same-old, at least there was a reason behind it. :)
     
  7. jasrub

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    This doesn't have anything to do with this particular episode, but I've been rewatching the series and in episode 8, after Stamets had just gotten done doing a spore jump he came out of the chamber and called Tilly captain. She was surprised by this and right after he called her captain he denied saying it. I wonder if while he was doing those jumps if he was able to 'see' the alternate universe.
     
  8. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    Or if he was mentally "hooking up" with his counterpart..? And then getting confused about what he remembers versus what the other guy remembers?
     
  9. JYoung

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    I thought that they pretty much stated that was the case in this episode.
     
  10. martinp13

    martinp13 YHTBMABIITY

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    Exactly... Mirror Stamets said he'd been trying to get a message to Prime Stamets, but it didn't work well. Prime Stamets said he'd been seeing flashes of an unknown huge starship and Tilly as captain.
     
  11. Hoffer

    Hoffer Eat Lightning ----- Poo Thunder

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    Started watching this show on Saturday and got all caught up last night. I enjoy this show quite a bit.

    Tyler being made head of security right after being held by the Klingons for 7 months seemed really dumb. Maybe Lorca ending up being who he was can explain it, but still.

    Also, Stamets injected himself so that he could replace the big creature in the spore drive. Why don't they inject others to take the burden off Stamets from having to do it every time? Did they only have one dose of that stuff?
     
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  12. ThePennyDropped

    ThePennyDropped Now I get it.

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    I've been asking myself the same question each time that's been an issue.
     
  13. doom1701

    doom1701 Time for a new Title

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    There's a number of hints; I've started watching it again from the start with my daughter and I'm trying to recognize those hints. I've also started watching After Trek from the start, and there's quite a few times when either the host or someone on Twitter asks a question and the producers cleanly (or sometimes not cleanly) sidestep the question. The one I watched yesterday had quite a bit of "should Burnam (or anyone) trust Lorca?". The producer laughed and then changed the subject.
     
  14. JYoung

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    The issue with the injection is that it modifies the subject's genes to be be more "tardigradey" and allow them access to the mycelium network.
    And that type of genetic manipulation has been illegal since the Eugenics War.
    (Also Stamets violated regulations when he injected himself.)
     
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  15. martinp13

    martinp13 YHTBMABIITY

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    I watched the scene again, and the left (selected) Kelpian was either Doug Jones or someone that looked a LOT like him. They would have mentioned it somehow if it was actually Saru.
     
  16. IndyJones1023

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    It would have been better, story-wise, if Georgiou said she and Lorca suffered the same eye injury at the same time rather than all people from her universe had the affliction. Because as mentioned earlier, this is the first we're hearing of it.
     

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