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Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by aadam101, Jul 26, 2011.
The biggest problem is that it doesn't support the keyboard on the Tivo iPhone or iPad app.
It also doesn't support the keyboard on the TiVo Bluetooth "Slide" Remote. (I'm not sure if any TiVo "apps" do.) That's disappointing.
That is a problem since Spotify has such a tremendous library, you're always searching for stuff.
As it stands now, I will probably just end up making playlists of albums I want to listen to, on Spotify in my computer... and the scroll down the LOOOONG list of playlists on the TV screen to find/play what I want. Yeesh.
Slide remote keyboard works in other apps, including rhapsody. And spotify gets first billing? Now its an extra click to get to rhapsody! ;-)
Yes, just checked. It works in Pandora and it works in Netflix. The searches there work better in those too, as you type it shows the matching results (a la TiVo.)
Not so with Spotify, you have to hit "SEARCH" at the end, to invoke the search.
Another weird thing is that in the list of Music apps, Spotify doesn't have an icon. The other apps do. Looks odd.
For a real music fan, $120 a year for unlimited access to all the music you can handle is a no brainer. If you are not a big music fan, then pandora or other free services work just fine. I use pandora too, but I love albums too much. I love to be able to dial up any album and listen to the whole thing anytime anywhere. $120 a year for that, no question.
In comparison, I could buy one cd (digital or otherwise) for about the same price per month. So at the end of the year I have 12 albums. Big whoop - I can listen to 12 albums in a day and do 12 different ones the next day, every day, all year. Not even close.
But I realize I'm in the minority on this one, as itunes is vastly more popular than subscription music services. I attribute that to the crowd - look at the top songs on itunes, it's all teeny bopper stuff, junk. Kids that buy horrible singles off horrible albums, that's the market that itunes has captured. Subscription music attracts a more voracious, discerning music fan.
It's also nice to actually be getting music legitimately. I know stealing music was the rage for some time and admit that I did some of my own, but I think in the next decade it should become passe, now that people are starting to realize that it's not such a great deal after, all things considered.
(I'm a rhapsody user by the way, am trying spotify just to see what the fuss is about, but it's more or less the same thing)
I think that the new apps are really built by the company they are partnering with, so 'free' development. Once it is released, then TIVO developers take it over and either, 1) Let it get stale and die, or 2) Upgrade it over a huge amount of time.
The tivo platform is not conducive to application updates. Pushing 2 updates a year to a box is NOT very app fix friendly. And the fact tivo doesnt do any updates to older machines is really bad. There are quite a few minor things they could push out to tivohd units and others to make the 'tivo experience' the same on all devices.
This idea that the hd gui is 2+ years old and still isn't done. Or the dual-core processor isn't turned back on after it was turned off 2 years ago is perplexing. How many developers does tivo have? They are acting like they have maybe 3.
A simple thing changing 'Now Playing' to 'My Shows' would be easy to change on older boxes.
The Ipad, Iphone app code could ber put on the older tivohd easily
The tivohd, at least, can do TS file output. Allowing this would be minor code. We know the ts code is there, it was added for the AOL app years ago.
The apps are updated independently of the TiVo (although an app update may sometimes depend upon a required feature update in the TiVo OS). For instance, Xfinity On-Demand was updated from SD to HD menus without a major TiVo-update taking place at the same time.
I'm also fairly certain that the current/recent apps are all wholly 'owned' by the respective companies, and that TiVo's responsibility is distribution. Updates to those apps would have to come from the partner.
The second core in the processor was enabled approximately this time last year and has since remained enabled.
...and TiVo HD users do get to enjoy the iOS app's guide, scheduling, remote control, search and explore features. Yes, a subset of the features that Premiere users get, but dem's the breaks.
I'd call that a gross defect. But it might make sense, if the app was ported over from some other platform(s) that don't have keyboards.
I also wonder a little if -- having dropped the Slide -- they've forgotten/stopped caring about all the other keyboards that work with the TiVo. Not seriously, though.
They neglected to give icons to the new games, too (Kaboom, Quizzmaster and Rockswap). On top of breaking the old icon system for local HME apps in the HDUI, but that's been a while now.
I think they ported the Virgin Media Spotify App.
I'm not positive but I don't think the slide remote works with the UK Virgin Media TiVo boxes.
Well I blame TiVo for not making/enforcing the keyboard API (or whatever) on any and all apps they integrate.
I mean, c'mon
No argument from me. I agree that the slide remote should work. I guess they couldn't convince Spotify to comply and/or Spotify agreed to support in the next? version of the app.
Does the Slide work on any app? If not it might be something with the OS where the driver isn't accessible via apps.
Yes, as mentioned earlier in this thread (yesterday) -- at the very least, it works in Pandora and it works in Netflix. I'm sure it works in more, those are just the first two I checked.
Ahh ok, I missed that. I couldn't remember ever using it or trying it with Pandora or youtube.
What ******** you need to have a premium account in order to use it on TiVo. I have never heard of such a thing. I don't ay for stuff that I can't try first.
So try it on your computer for free first?
I've heard of such a thing, many times. Rhapsody is that way too. As is Netflix.
According to Spotify's website, they only support computers with the free version. The premium is the only version that is streamed to other devices. There is no choice on TiVo's part.
I suspect this has something to do with what their contracts say they can do with a "computer" as opposed to a "device", or some such wording. You also need a premium Spotify account to stream to an iPhone or to my AV receiver (which has a Spotify app builtin, in addition to Sirius XM/Rhapsody/other stuff).
I was looking at Spotify's web site and they indicate the free and unlimited accounts are only available via a computer. The Premium account ($10/mo) shows it is available on everything.
They do offer a free 30 dsy test of their Premium account so yes you can try it first.
So unless they are lying the restriction is a Spotify thing not a TiVo thing. The same as Hulu requiring a Hulu+ account. The $10/mo seems a little out of line considering what Hulu+ or Netflix charge and the fact that Pandora is free.