Speculation: TiVo announces Series 5 Premiere at 2012 CES

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by sbiller, Jun 7, 2011.

  1. anotherlab

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    How are you coming to this conclusion? Between my HD and my FiOS DVR, our family can record 4 different shows at once. With four of us recording shows, we rarely hit conflicts. With many cable shows being broadcast multiple times in a week, 4 tuners can cover a lot of ground.

    What I would want to see from TiVo is a 4 tuner box that can stream it's content to a non-DVR extender box in real time. I just don't know how they can do that and be competitive with the cable operators. For the extender to be useful, it will need a cable card too. That's an additional monthly cost that needs to be factored in.

    I don't think you'll see tuning adapters built into the next gen TiVo for a few reasons:
    • Why pass the additional cost to subscribers who don't have SDV? My cable provider doesn't use SDV, why should I have to pay for hardware that I don't need.
    • Each cable company controls the tuning adapter firmware. They push out firmware updates to the tuning adapters just like they update their cable boxes.
    • TiVo ends up subsidizes the tuning adapter development. That's an additional cost that TiVo shouldn't have to pay.
     
  2. Joe3

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    Marketing wise the the Premiere/S4 are dead men walking like Microsoft Windows Millennium Edition, Windows ME or Vista.

    They have to come out with something that works and is fun again.
     
  3. innocentfreak

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    Not in my household. 4 tuners in my house would cover just primetime shows. Also many of the other shows we record usually only repeat at the west coast time and occasionally on the weekend.
     
  4. lessd

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    Come on people nobody can tell anybody how many tuners they need/want, it's up to each family/person, some can get by with one tuner some need/want 8 tuners, who going to convince whom about how many tuners anybody needs/want ? For me i have four HD TP in four different rooms that provide me 8 tuners and with fast MRV. On the TP I don't care much which room a program i want to record is because I can, if needed, move it to another room quickly. I most likely never had all 8 tuners going at once but i never checked my family recording slots because i don't need to as we never had a fight as to what program to record in place of another, so 8 tuners is over the top for my family.
     
  5. Videodrome

    Videodrome tivo - please wait..

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    Really Tivo needs to redo the entire experience, if menus arent instant, and waiting for records and deletes is part of the next series i am not interested. This stuff needs to be created and ready immediately. Just like caching of show info, not whenever someone hits the tivo button. If the next tivo doesnt look like Replay with its instant menus, and fast reconciliation of programs. Sorry media center here i come. 7 tuners should be the next normal.
     
  6. aadam101

    aadam101 Tell me a joke

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    Four is plenty for my house. We have two Tivo's with two tuners each. Very few shows only air once anymore. Pretty much anything on cable airs multiple times. Network shows are easily accessible via Hulu in the event a tuner is not available.
     
  7. aadam101

    aadam101 Tell me a joke

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    +1. Tivo is neither of those things anymore.

    I used to get excited when people came over and I could show off my Tivo. Even if they had a DVR at home they were usually impressed by the Tivo. After too many embarrassing moments where the Tivo lagged or just didn't do what it was supposed to do when showing it off, I no longer show it to guests. I actually try my best to keep it hidden so nobody will see it and ask about it.
     
  8. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

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    Found this on Engadget today: http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/08/panasonics-1-4-ghz-dual-core-smart-tv-chip-is-industrys-fastes/ Sure sounds like TV manufactures would like their TVs to be the streaming media devise of choose.

    Thanks,
     
  9. marwaforem

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    good news. I love this series
    Me too I assumed that Tivo's next "big announcement" will be the "whole house DVR", which has 4 tuners and can stream to multiple receiver boxes.
     
  10. aaronwt

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    Every family I know with DVRs and with 4 or 5 people in their family could not rely on only 4 tuners since they have different tastes and might want to record something and watch something live. They have issues with only two or three DVRs already which is four to six tuners.

    Even with just me, four tuners is not enough. i would have conflicts on a daily basis. I record alot of things. I don't watch everything I record, but I like to have a wide range of programs to choose from when I sit down to watch TV. I never know what I will be in the mood to watch.
     
  11. Dan203

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    I think that 4 tuners is plenty for most people. It allows you to record Prime Time on all the major networks (i.e. ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox) simultaneously and everything else you can get in repeats because all the cable network repeat their original content constantly throughout the week. (sometimes multiple times the same night, or even back to back)

    I guess you might need up to 6 if you also record Prime Time programming from The CW or UPN, but if that's the case you can just buy a second TiVo for the overflow.

    Dan
     
  12. classicsat

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    The next generation should be Mediaroom (UVerse) compatible.

    SDV/VOD/PPV can be done over the network (Internet required though). With major providers on board (if that is the way they are going), it wouldn't matter.

    Of course, for legacy purposes, full cablecard support will be in that version.
     
  13. lessd

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    This is like trying to argue about cars a family of 4 or 5 should have, guess what! there is no answer that fit most people, and saying that such a family should have 4 or 6 or 8 tuners helps nobody because each family has different priorities and available money, we can take a poll about how many people want what number of tuners in their home, and assume a fix cost of about $250/tuner + 0.75/month for the cable card, that what we have now, at list price, for a Lifetime TiVo, than have a poll at say $200/tuner and $0.37/month for the cable card, than say $150/tuner and 0.37/month for the cable card. My Comcast cost me $1.50/month for each cable card and NO AO charge (its on the bill but a $0 cost)
    If anybody has any interest in this start the poll.
     
  14. aaronwt

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    I never said they should have 4, 6 or 8. Just that evey family that I know with 4 or 5 members, AND that also has DVRs, that four tuners has never been enough for them. Which is why many of them have a DVR for each child in their room to use for their personal use. Plus a DVR at the communal TVs.
    Of course they always complain about missing shows on their non tivo DVRs too, but only a couple of them went the TiVo route. But the ones that did like the TiVos so much better than the cable comany DVRs that they used to have.
     
  15. mattack

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    I haven't read the whole thread -- but isn't the implication that "series 5" *would be* the 4 tuner TiVo?
     
  16. mattack

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    I know I repeat this a lot.. and I'm repeating it again..

    But even if your family only records 4 things at a time, this may still not be enough tuners *unless* you don't mind your shows being partially clipped... Since the networks do the stupid "overlap the official running time" thing... (Not only broadcast networks, AFAIK all E!, Discovery, and History Channel shows are a fraction of a minute off -- start/end too late.) So if you don't want to actually miss any of the program, you really need the total number of tuners you will need in time slots "next to each other" due to padding. (Another oldie but goodie -- if Tivo could handle padding ON THE SAME CHANNEL on a single tuner, that would GREATLY reduce, at least for me, the necessity for more tuners... since I guess I like a bunch of shows in a row on a few channels.)
     
  17. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Well-Known Member

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    Not necessarily. Think of the series 2 and then the dual tuner series 2. Or the TiVo HD and the series 3.

    Assuming allvid happens by 2012 or so, I would think that would be a series 5 since it would be a major change with the potential removal of the cablecard tech.
     
  18. CybrFyre

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    With all these extra tuners, you're gonna need the hard drive space as well.
     
  19. trip1eX

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

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    Maybe, but doubt 4 tuners means most will watch more tv.

    Most of us can only watch so much. I know I already record way more than I watch with 2 tuners

    It just means less conflicts.

    And might mean you can switch from paying for 2 cablecards per month to 1.

    4 seems ideal because 1 cablecard supports up to 4 tuners.
     
  20. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Well-Known Member

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    With the significant drop in hard drive prices, TiVo could use a 2TB drive for probably less than what they paid for the 1TB drive at the time of the Premiere launch.

    The Premiere launched in April of 2010. Around that time I want to say you could find 1TB drives for $79 through places like Newegg.

    These days you can find a 2TB drive for $59-$69. The 3TB drives are $120.
     

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