Soon to be Ex-ReplayTV user looking for TiVo Info

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by DrJoe1, Jun 17, 2011.

  1. DrJoe1

    DrJoe1 New Member

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    You will see a splash screen flash on your unit with the notice -- I saw it two days ago. Seems to be tied to a cookie/event and comes at different times on different units.

    www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1341460
    www.planetreplay.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=15657&sid=ee05bcd1974fd82221dbb07ad422812e

    There has been a lot of discussion on saving the service, but there are issues to work out:

    I'm not technically up to speed on all this (all the talk of vitual machines and WiRNS and such is another language to me):

    The networked units seem to have the clock encrypted, and need to have it reset on a daily basis. While WiRNS seems capable of updating the channel guide, it can't at this time set the clock;

    The older, non-networked units would need to have modem-to-ethernet adaptors created to use WiRNS (no clock problem for them, though)

    All units would lose the ability to get new channel lineup information

    In their notice, DNNS says the units will be able to "manually record" -- but that is not sure at this time for the networked units.

    There also has been lots of talk of what the "lifetime" implications are. ReplayTV, of course, went bankrupt years ago. The holding company that purchased the non-IP assets (DirecTV bought the IP), DNNS, is finally shutting down the service. Presumably they are no longer making enough on monthly subscriptions to justify keeping it. Or maybe they have gotten to the point where they can't support it any more from a technical knowledge point of view. But lots of folks feel how you do.

    One lawyer pointed out that the company's liability would be no more than $300 (the cost of a lifetime lisense), prorated against age. And that it is unlikely that the total liability would reach the minimum necessary for a Federal class action suit. There is no legal definition for "lifetime", and I am sure that they could argue that with the demise of analog OTA broadcasting, the effective lifetime of the units was reached. Likewise, they could argue that most units now in service are not original (have replacement power supplies or hard drives or both), and hence have passed their reasonably expected "product lifetimes". Or they can just say it is "end of life" because they cannot support it any more. As far as Panasonic goes, I suspect most of my fellow Showstopper owners have lost their receipts years ago (I have). It doesn't seem like DNNS or Panasonic will be doing anything. Some are hoping that DNNS might release the source code or encryption for ReplayTV.

    For me, I'm surprised I had dial up access as long as I have.

    Joe
     
  2. lrhorer

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    Not if he buys a Premiere, on anything other than locals.

    "Troublesome" in that they are not 100% stable. They require rebooting from time to time. Their function is completely transparent to the user: the user doesn't have to do anything special to make use of the TA.

    Not if he buys a Premier, they don't. Well, not KMTTG, anyway. In order for him to make much use of KMTTG, he'll need a hacked TiVo.
     
  3. orangeboy

    orangeboy yes, I AM orangeboy!

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    This story parallels the UK TiVo Series 1 folks.
     
  4. classicsat

    classicsat Astute User

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    Most questions have been answered rather well.

    I will answer #4 more directly than others, saying that the TiVo G adapter is the only USB wireless adapter supported on any of the HD model TiVos. Any Ethernet based network sysem will work. That would be Ethernet itself, MoCA, Powerline extenders, or any Wireless Ethernet Bridge.
     
  5. classicsat

    classicsat Astute User

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    I have just read the threads DrJoe1 linked to.

    From what I have read, they are only discontinuing the guide, but keeping the authentication servers running at very least, and possibly permanently activating non-lifetime units. Wirns supposedly will still work.

    Unclear if the dial-ups will be discontinued.
     
  6. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Well-Known Member

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    It depends on his area as I said in the quote you posted.

    No TA here so I am just going off what is said here.

    False. I use kmttg everyday with my premiere.
     
  7. DrJoe1

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    I'm not sure where you got this idea -- it seems like EVRYTHING including authentication servers is going down... this reply was in the middle of the AVS Forum post:

    http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=20577415&postcount=91

     
  8. DrJoe1

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    I really do apreciate all of the input you all are giving -- it helps a lot.

    As far as purchasing a new Premier vs a Series B or other unit over eBay -- what are the differences between the units? Wouldn't it be best to go with the latest unit? It doesn't seem eBay saves much in the way of money (for lifetime activated units).

    As far as connectivity, MOCa may be beyond my means (especially if I get lifetime activation). It seems that wireless would be cheapest and easiest. Aside from downloading video from online sources like Netflix, does it take much bandwidth to support TiVo?

    Thanks,

    Joe
     
  9. shwru980r

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    The CCI byte issue affects the S3 and THD also.
     
  10. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    Yes, but you can "fix" that issue with an S3 or THD. The Premiere has yet to be "cracked". ;)
     
  11. johnm4

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    Wow... I had no idea ReplayTV was shutting down. I still have 2 units that I use to record public access several times a week with a manual recording (no guide data for public access stuff anyway), but this clock sync thing worries me.

    I had planned to replace it with a Premiere at some point, once TiVO finishes up the HD menus...
     
  12. classicsat

    classicsat Astute User

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    You mean Series 2.

    A very brief rundown:
    Series 1/2 are analog only. Digital requires a separate box. Series 1/2 support IR channel changing on many provider STBs, serial for a few. Series 2s made to work with antenna work with most antenna digital converter boxes. The Series 2 DT was made to not work with antenna at all, only cable and provider STBs. Series 1s are networkable by adding an internal network card, but only connect to the service for that, generally. Series 2 network functionality, in addition to connecting to the service, allows transfers (copies), between TiVo units and PCs (copy protection allowing), and from online services. Series 2s network with USB wireless or Ethernet network adapters. The supported adapters are limited, see the TiVo site. The Series 2 DT includes Ethernet built in. All the Series 1/2 models use IDE HDDs. The DVD combo model TiVos are all Series 2s, and except the Humax DVD models, come with free Basic service. All other Series 2, late series 1s (generally made October 2001 and later), and HD models require subscription.

    For the Series 3/4 models, they have dual analog/digital tuners built in, decode cable with cable card (two for the Series 3, one or two for the TiVo HD, one for the Premiere), cannot use a box at all, but are antenna compatible directly. They have an MPEG4 type decoder, so can stream some online services, as well as what the Series 2s can do. All HD models have Ethernet and USB. They use an internal SATA drive, an eSATA expansion.
    They have automation interfaces, which allow computer/tablet control with an app.

    Really no, but if you intend to make use of the online video services, wireless, at least G, is not recommended.
     
  13. slowbiscuit

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    And given that used S3/HDs w/lifetime can be had on fleabay for $350-375, a case could be made that they are a better buy right now than the Premieres anyway, considering the higher cost and unfixed issues on the Premieres.
     
  14. coupster

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    As another in ReplayTV purgatory, I 'd like some clarification from the experts here. Please.

    My ReplayTV is currently connected to a cable STB via coaxial cable, using an IR cable for channel changes and an ethernet connection for talking to the world. I have no HD programming and don't plan on getting any in the foreseeable future. Oh I also have no land line phone connection.

    It seems that a comparably functional Tivo is a Series 2. I guess its fairly old cause I can find no discussions of it anywhere. What are the downsides to getting this model?

    If I have to go up to a Series 3, do I swap out the STB for a Cablecard from my cable company or do I have to go out and buy one and have them configure it? Small local provider - Morris Broadband.

    Any other gotchas on either?

    Thanks.
     
  15. atmuscarella

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    Yes a Series 2 is what you need to record from a cable and/or Satellite STB. You can pick them up pretty cheap on ebay - I would get one with lifetime service or you will have to pay $12.95/mo and commit to 1 year of service.

    If your cable is still analog you can use a Series 3 HD, TiVo HD, or Premiere with it without cable cards. If it is digital (SD or HD) you will need cable card(s) and they have to come from your cable provider. With a small provider you should check and make sure they will provide you with cable cards.

    Good Luck,
     
  16. pbcanney

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    Its a shame Replay is ending
     
  17. pbcanney

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    Think ahead a year or two. Time Warner still pushes the analog channels out but many Comcast sites are going full digital and will require either a converter or cablecarded/tuning adaptered unit. Series 2's probably have a short shelf life.

    The FCC mandates your cable company MUST supply cablecards for a nominal monthly fee
     
  18. mattack

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    You get the cablecard from your cable company -- for a small monthly fee.. But it will almost certainly be 'included' in your digital cable subscription. Your monthly fee MIGHT go down (since you won't have a cable box anymore), but likely will stay the same...
     
  19. lrhorer

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    He specifically stated he is on Time Warner Cable.

    No, true. I have no doubt you use kmttg every day with a Premier, but only if your CATV provider does not ubiquitously set the CCI byte to 0x01. If your CATV provider decides tomorrow to start setting the CCI byte, kmttg will be useless to you exept on locally braodcast channels. Like me and a few million others, his provider sets the CCI byte. You may well be next. If I had a Premier, kmttg (and other transfer utilities) would be virtually useless, which in my case, at least, means the TiVo would be largely useless.
     
  20. lrhorer

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    I don't think this is usually the case. Certainly it is not for TWC customers. CableCards are $2.99 a month, each.

    As always, the mileage varies. Here in San Antonio, IIRC:

    CableCard $2.99 each
    STB $7.99
    DVR $10.00 flat + $9.95 per DVR
     

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