Soon Plex will have it all.

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  1. Narkul

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    My shows vs. Husbands bags on the doorstep, from her perspective.
     
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  2. foghorn2

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    And now Roku is playing silly games with Apps and what they allow, nothing to do with piracy, I told you they want to control what you can watch and from where:

    Fox News hosts urge their fans to complain to Roku over streaming blackout
     
  3. b_scott

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    I find it funny that foghorn2, who started posting on the first page 25 days ago saying they hate Plex and it's the worst software ever, is somehow STILL here posting about it.
     
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  4. jcliff

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    Plex has changed quite a bit in the time period of "years ago", so by their own admission they're pretty ignorant or out of date re: Plex.

    It's also weird to have someone use privacy as a reason not to use Plex or a Roku. The Amazon Fire Stick is by far the device that pings home to the mothership most on my network, even compared to my Roku 3, Shield TV, and TiVo.

    Of those, the Android TV/Shield TV seems to report back to the mothership least, and it's down to the individual apps.

    Part of the Roku/TiVo/etc. business model IS your data, so if that's a major concern streaming services aren't ideal.

    I've seen the question of quality come up re: Plex a few times, and like many things, it depends on your source.

    A Roku and a TiVo don't have the same "direct play" capabilities. If the media on your Plex server is in a format that your "receiving" device can play natively, it won't need to be transcoded.

    For a TiVo Bolt that's essentially an h.264 video with AAC audio. With a Roku it tends to be a bit more flexible (my Roku 3 can direct play AC3 audio, for example).

    So in the case of "direct play", the quality is... the same as your original file. If your player doesn't support the file format of your original file, it has to be transcoded, and the quality will depend on your Plex settings (such as whether you've focused on bandwidth or quality) and what your receiving device/bandwidth can handle.

    Using Plex hand-in-hand with your TiVo is pretty neat. You can record a show like "The Good Place", transfer it to your PC using something like KMTTG, then cut out the commercials and store it on your Plex server.

    Once that's done, you can clear up the space on your TiVo by deleting the show.

    If you set it up right, KMTTG can even download your shows from the TiVo, import the Autoskip timestamps, and encode the file via Handbrake to save some space before putting it on your server.

    Some aspects of running a Plex server/pulling shows off your TiVo/ripping your own media can get pretty technical, so it's not something I'd recommend to the average home user unless you want to learn about setting up your own server/NAS. Which isn't rocket science, but it's also not always plug and play.

    So tl;dr... the quality is good if you know what you're doing.

    Like many things, it's more complicated than that. If you've downloaded a copy of pirated content, and you're streaming it to others, that can be considered an unauthorized "performance". So you'd be liable for both the downloaded copy AND the streaming. But no more so than any other service that can stream your own content.

    But since most Plex instances are going to be much, much smaller in scope than something like an online site that provides streams of pirated content (in addition to earning ad revenue), and limited to people you've authorized to use your Plex server, you're drastically overstating the danger of running a Plex server. It's pretty close to the FUD ("fear", "uncertainty", "doubt") that surrounded the use of DVRs to begin with.

    A lot of Kodi's bad reputation is due to some unflattering press coverage and 3rd party resellers providing devices with Kodi and add-ons for downloading/streaming pre-installed:

    The Piracy Box Sellers and Youtube Promoters Are Killing Kodi

    Something that Plex partly by how it functions/is designed and honestly probably just partly by chance never had to deal with. Despite their having similar functionality in some ways, but drastically different goals and philosophies in others.

    Plus, being a for profit company means the potential for them to kick money back to content creators/providers is a lot higher than a volunteer open-source project. As shown by their introduction of their own (IMO less painful/more functional and thankfully, hide-able) ad-supported streaming.

    This cracks me up, because even as a Plex fan their development cycle is not, uh, laser-focused.

    The Engadget post is describing a TechCrunch post which is referring to a single in-person conversation they had with the Plex CEO. Every single concrete description of "how" or "when" is pure conjecture on TechCrunch's part.

    Even taking their quote at face value, "won't be developed" makes it pretty clear they're not currently developed.
     
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  5. jcliff

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    Kodi is made up of volunteers, so it's a combination of technical limitations and resources.

    Kodi support for Roku

    I think a TiVo app wouldn't be possible for similar reasons.
     
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  6. foghorn2

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    Right, its easier to get apps for ios and andriod, Roku is too tight and currently playing stupid games with Fox and plex wont play any file. Its a dead end in the long run.
     
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  7. Mikeguy

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    Isn't that a game of business $ economics and chicken? Not unlike what cable does with broadcasters, with the customers/viewers in the middle?
     
  8. foghorn2

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    True, but seriously Roku is trying to strong-arm Fox over a streaming app? you can get a firestick 4k for $35 and get everything (excepy VuDu- but you can sideload it)
     
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    Sparky1234

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    LOL. :)
     
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    Bigg

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    That was a bizarre story. It's hard to say what happened. With pay TV, you know it's almost always the fault of the content provider. With this one, it's hard to say one way or the other.
     
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    krkaufman

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    Sean Hannity said Roku is at fault, even his message was slightly muddled by saying he didn’t know why there was a problem but also saying it involved Roku’s business interests — while staying mum on the business interests of Fox News.


    So, yeah, as you said, not much different from other recent stories of Dish, etc. losing channels when carriage negotiations lock-up.
     
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    Bigg

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    Normally, whatever Sean Hannity says is wrong, so it's fairly safe to assume that the opposite is actually true. That being said, since he works for Fox, you'd expect him to be on Fox's side, and thus his bloviation is pretty much meaningless in this situation.

    That's actually the opposite of what I said.
     
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    foghorn2

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    This is so false, hes been right about everything so far. He was not in the 2000's- could not stand him back then. Yes hes on Fox's side, but why does Roku want to block the app? Would you like it if they blocked the other 2? Or PBS ? Regardless of the content and where you stand politically, its better when all points are heard, let the viewer make up their own mind.
     
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    Wil

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    But the wonderful thing is that education has taken place over the course of the thread. A redeeming social quality of TCF.
     
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    powrcow

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    It's not political (all Fox apps were being blocked). Simply that Fox's contract with Roku was expiring and Roku wanted a larger cut of ad revenue from Fox. Fox disagreed so Roku said they wouldn't renew their contract. They've since inked a new deal.
     
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    krkaufman

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    Right, so one would think that both Roku's *and* Fox News' business interests would have been cited, rather than making it greedy ol' Roku against the viewer. Roku dropping the app is no different than a cable provider dropping channels if a distribution agreement isn't reached. Seems an unbalanced presentation of the issue, and none too fair.
     
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    Sparky1234

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    So Kodi or Plex for streaming?

    Not sure this threat answered that question.

    So far pytivo still works best for me for home use.
     
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    wizwor

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    explains so much :D
     
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    slowbiscuit

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    Well that explains a lot.
     
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    shwru980r

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    You can sideload the "Appstarter" app on the Fire TV and it will replace the home screen with the icons of the installed apps.
     
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