Soon Plex will have it all.

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by dadrepus, Jan 8, 2020.

  1. Jan 30, 2020 #81 of 146
    foghorn2

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    I did not even know pytivo could stream to a tivo. neat, i tried plex years ago for that and was never reliable.

    i just use py to replace tivo desktop to get tivo recordings back from a nas.
     
  2. Jan 30, 2020 #82 of 146
    Tony_T

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    PLEX can be set to not transcode (I have PLEX on a Raspberry PI4, and only play at home on my Roku, so I never transcode)
     
  3. Jan 30, 2020 #83 of 146
    Dan203

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    pyTivo can't stream. But, at least if you still have TE3, it can transfer a video from a PC to a TiVo. In most cases that transfer is faster than realtime, and you can watch while it's transferring, so it's essentially the same experience as streaming. But it's actually copying the data to the TiVo so you can't FF past the current data that’s on the TiVo and you have to delete it when you’re done watching.
     
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  4. Jan 30, 2020 #84 of 146
    Dan203

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    Yeah but some clients, like TiVos (at least last time I tried) don’t handle that well and usually just throw up an error that the stream is incompatible with the device.

    But again it's been a few years since I tried it, and I only had a Roamio at the time, so the experience may have improved with newer versions of Plex or newer TiVos
     
  5. Jan 30, 2020 #85 of 146
    foghorn2

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    Yes, I got errors all the time with the Roamio and Bolt Plex client, setting it to transcode or not. When playing with any other client it worked but the performance was terrible. It was like molasses - fast server -1G lan

    Thanks, I just tested MP4 videos- an 80's Astronomy program from PBS called Project Universe, tranferred from OTA>VHS>Pinnacle Hardware encoder>AVI>Handbrake>MP4>Tivo via PyTivo

    Its was nice seeing this on my Tivo in OTA mode, Ghosting and all. Its like pretending Tivo recorded this way back when. I felt like I was 8 again!
     
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  6. Jan 30, 2020 #86 of 146
    foghorn2

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    OH wait! I just realized if I rename those MP4 files with the mpeg extension, the Netgear Nas DNLA serves those files to the Tivo to download as well! WOW This stuff all works with TE3 still
     
  7. Jan 30, 2020 #87 of 146
    Bigg

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    Say what you want, it's still apples and oranges. You can disagree about how Roku treats each of them, there's certainly an argument to be made there, but they are not the same thing.
     
  8. Jan 30, 2020 #88 of 146
    foghorn2

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    I dont think its about "how Roku treats them", nowdays its about where developers want to develop. Thats why there will be no new or updates apps for the TiVo, and I'm afraid Roku will eventually suffer the same fate. All this plex, tivo, roku stuff will be niche usage while the masses will use ios or android to stream readily available legal content in the clouds. The new pay OTA - over the cloudy air
     
  9. Jan 30, 2020 #89 of 146
    Sparky1234

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    How's the quality?
     
  10. Jan 30, 2020 #90 of 146
    Sparky1234

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    The recurring costs will drive those consumers back to cheaper sources like OTA IMHO. I'm seeing it already...
     
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  11. Jan 30, 2020 #91 of 146
    foghorn2

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    Right, and then Peacock, CBS All Access, Disney/ABC will start putting all their main shows on those streaming services, the diginets will keep degrading the PQ and mess with aspect ratios with annoying medical commercials to drive you away.

    You cant win
     
  12. Jan 30, 2020 #92 of 146
    Narkul

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    Unfortunately TE3 is not an option due to the gigabytes of recorded seasons and the associated wife.
     
  13. Jan 30, 2020 #93 of 146
    OrangeCrush

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    Both Plex and Kodi can be used 100% legally. Both Plex & Kodi can be used to play pirated materials. The difference is that the Kodi client application can be used to enter web addresses directly (against Roku's rules) and installs add-ons that can scrape pirate media sources (against Roku's rules) and torrent media up and down (against Roku's rules, also opens customers up to legal liability).

    If the Kodi devs decided to port it over to Roku, ignoring the technical issues for the moment, they'd be rejected because of the ability to enter URLs and install add-ons. Firefox devs would get rejected for the same reasons. (And we all know that the real reason behind Roku's policy is they don't want their devices being used to go out on the wild web finding pirate streams to keep the media conglomerates happy.)

    A special Roku-edition Kodi-Lite could strip out all the add-ons and ability to enter URLS and just play media from local network shares, but that's a lot of effort to replicate what many existing Roku apps can already do.
     
  14. Jan 30, 2020 #94 of 146
    foghorn2

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    No, I think Roku just wants to control what you can watch and from where. Thats why it sucks and will eventually die off.
     
  15. Jan 30, 2020 #95 of 146
    Bigg

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    Roku is not a niche. TiVo is. Roku is the most popular streaming platform, and developers will develop for it. The big 4 are Roku, FireTV, Android TV, and Apple TV that most developers will develop for. Smaller players like TiVo, good luck.
     
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    Mikeguy

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    And my hope would be that, as part of that, Roku is looking over its shoulder at TiVo and planning its best ways to compete with the new upstart who got so much attention at CES. It seems to me that the consumers will be coming out ahead.
     
  17. Jan 30, 2020 #97 of 146
    foghorn2

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    Tivo could have the advantage, as any new app thats made for android, its on their stick automatically. The developers would have to port over the code for Roku. If Tivo is smart, they could eat Roku alive.
     
  18. Jan 31, 2020 #98 of 146
    Sparky1234

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    Concur with: "You can't win."
     
  19. Jan 31, 2020 #99 of 146
    Sparky1234

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    Then you may be stuck with less desirable streaming options.
     
  20. foghorn2

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    Te3 vs. Wife ?
    Decisions decisions..
     

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