Sony Tv Causing My Tivo To Freeze

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by pashasurf7873, Jan 3, 2007.

  1. Jan 9, 2007 #41 of 188
    George Cifranci

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    My R60XBR1 is a Sept 2005 build.

    That is interesting that you need to call Cablevision after you unplugged your TiVo to reinitialize the cards. My Time Warner CableCards come back on their own.
     
  2. Jan 10, 2007 #42 of 188
    pashasurf7873

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    My sony is a 2006 model also. BTW, so far I have turned my TV on 5 times with the component cables unplugged from the tivo with no freeze ups yet. its not a permanent solution but seems to indicate (contrary to many posters claims) that the Sony is somehow sending some type of toxic signal to the Tivo at start up.
    Aloha
     
  3. Jan 10, 2007 #43 of 188
    jhand_us

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    I have a Sony 60in DLP with a Tivo S3 hooked to it... I hooked up the HDMI connection to input 6 and the component cables to input 5... then jump aournd each trying to focus on the same area of the HD broadcast to see differences.... the component connections look better (to me). I'm not an HDMI expert, but are there general issues with that technology? and why would component be better all around for quality and no freeze ups? :confused:
     
  4. Jan 11, 2007 #44 of 188
    skydivewags

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    Are you then hooking the component cables up once the Sony is on? And it's not freezing up?

    If this is the fix for the problem, then your Sony is doing bad things, and needs to go back where it came from.
     
  5. Jan 11, 2007 #45 of 188
    pashasurf7873

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    yes, after the TV is on, I plug the component cables back in and its fine. All other HD components(xbox360,oppo dvd and scientific atlanta 8300hd) work flawlessly, just the tivo trips out and there are others out there with the same problem. Anyone know if a component or hdmi switcher between the TV and tivo could maybe help?
    thanks again.
    Aloha
     
  6. Jan 12, 2007 #46 of 188
    George Cifranci

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    FYI... My S3 hasn't locked up in the past 4 days when I turned on my Sony SXRD (R60XBR1) (connected via HDMI) since I moved it to its own UPS. Not that it rules out the Sony TV as the S3 didn't consistently lock up when I turned on the TV (and Yamaha RX-V2600 Receiver) previously.
     
  7. Jan 12, 2007 #47 of 188
    lpinnell

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    Since I connected my S3 to a UPS, the S3 has been running for over three weeks without a problem. Note that right around the time I got the UPS, my S3 updated to 8.0.1c. So, I am not sure which event (connecting to a UPS or rev c update) had a bigger impact on the S3 becoming more reliable, but my vote is the UPS. The UPS is an APC model BE550R and the S3 is the only thing connected to it. My R60XBR1 is connected to a regular surge protector.

    Lee
     
  8. Jan 12, 2007 #48 of 188
    CrispyCritter

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    That sounds like a very plausible solution. Those 3 components themselves are already about 1000 VA, which can certainly stress a UPS. I hope it keeps working!
     
  9. Jan 12, 2007 #49 of 188
    AbMagFab

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    You lose a lot of credibility when you say you have a Sony DLP. Sony has never made a DLP set.

    HDMI looks better on a properly calibrated set. No question about it. You might not care, or even be able to tell, but it at worst will look the same to you. Only way Component will look better (versus the same) is if you have your set calibration way off on the two inputs.

    And as I said early on in this thread, it's power related, and it looks like that sovled the problem.
     
  10. Jan 12, 2007 #50 of 188
    Warlord46

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    I've had two S3s connected to my Sony KDS-R60XBR1 rear projection 60". The first failed after a week, with either a blank screen or a green screen with squealing sounds. Tivo took it back, sent me another one. No problem for a week or two, then same thing. Tivo would not take it back, told me to change plugs and get new cable cards. Both Tivo and Sony were plugged into a big UPS. I unplugged the Tivo and put it into its own wall socket. No help. I have another S3 connected to an LG32LC2D that has been problem-free. I swapped its good cable cards out with my problem S3. The S3 connected to the LG remained problem free, even with suspect cable cards. The problem S3 connected to the Sony was not helped by the tested and proven cable cards from the other S3. So Tivo's trouble-shooting suggestions were not the problem. The problem is with the S3 box. I think it's been damaged.

    I suspect my Sony is doing something to the S3, actually ruining it because they work OK for a week or two, but I don't know what. Leaving the Tivo on overnight does not help - when turning the TV on, I see a green or blank screen, with the Tivo frozen. Leaving both the TV and Tivo off does not help, in fact that's even worse. Turning on the TV first, then the Tivo, is a guaranteed green screen, forcing you to pull the plug on the Tivo and have it restart. Or putting the Tivo into standby first as you would normally since you need the TV to see where you are going on the Tivo menu, then turning off the TV - same result. I don't know why it can't survive the night with the TV off when I just leave it running, or why it always gives me a green or blank screen when turning it on and off like I usually do.

    So here's what I do, and it works for me: I hit the Tivo button to wake up the Tivo first, then turn on the TV so that the Tivo is already on when the TV comes on. That works. Then, when shutting down, I highlight "standby", then turn off the TV, then press "select" to put the Tivo in standby. If I deviate from this procedure, I get a green or blank screen right away almost every day. If I stick to it, I get a green or blank screen once every couple of weeks or more. I've thought of sending it back to Tivo now that I've proved I've got a defective S3, but I don't see the point in ruining another one in a week or two, and going back to the same old procedure again. I'm going to wait for the powers that be figure out what the problem is, and offer a fix. If my procedure begins to fail and my Tivo does not work at all again, though, I will ask for another one.
     
  11. Jan 13, 2007 #51 of 188
    wardial

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    Hi all-

    First post here, but believe I have some interesting insight.

    I still haven't pulled the trigger on purchasing an S3 yet, HOWEVER, I do have a Sony R60XBR1.

    I have it plugged into a Comcast Motorolla DCT3412I DVR via HDMI.

    About 80% of the time when I turn on the TV (leave the DVR on all the time) I get the solid green screen. The only thing that fixes it is turning the Cable Box/DVR off and on.

    I think we can safely assume this issue in not Tivo related, and is something to do with Sony's implementation of HDMI, or a TV configuration issue.

    my 2c.
     
  12. Jan 13, 2007 #52 of 188
    AbMagFab

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    Please folks...

    I've had a 60XBR1 since the day they came out. Never a single issue with the S3 (also since the day it came out), or the HR10-250 (also since the day it came out).

    Two distinct issues:
    1) The Moto box doesn't do well with HDMI and resynching.
    2) The S3 issues above are almost certainly power related, as has already been confirmed by at least the OP.
     
  13. Jan 13, 2007 #53 of 188
    jhand_us

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    AdMagFab, I've never had credibility - trust me. I'm just a dumb guy that owns a TV. Pardon my Sony ignorance. Thanks for the advise, I think both inputs are calibrated the same however (nerer been touched). It's probably just me thinking HDMI has issues.
     
  14. Jan 13, 2007 #54 of 188
    morac

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    I'm not convinced it's a power issue. If it was then any time a fridge or other high drain device kicked on the S3 would die. Also disconnecting the component/hdmi cable from the TV wouldn't help if it were a power issue.

    It could be a feedback issue, with a surge going out over the component/HDMI cables, but that would indicate the TV was faulty. You could try getting a coax surge protector and make sure the cable wire goes through that before connecting to the TiVo. That should ground the TiVo (though I don't know if this would help).
    Since everyone who has had this problem reported that everything works for a week before problems start happening, I'm guessing that by the time symptoms appear the S3 has probably already been physically damaged.

    BTW I've heard that Sony doesn't have very good quality control when it comes manufacturing defects in their TVs (including the Bravia line).
     
  15. Jan 14, 2007 #55 of 188
    wardial

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    I'm also not convinced this is a power related issue. For instance...

    If my Sony TV is turned on... with a different source connected... such as a DVD player connected via componant... and I switch back to the DVR source... which is already turned on.... green screen.

    This is with the DVR and TV already working and "sunk"...switch to DVD input...back to DVR input... green.
     
  16. Jan 14, 2007 #56 of 188
    skydivewags

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    Just changing inputs locks up your TiVo????? Take back the Sony.
     
  17. Jan 14, 2007 #57 of 188
    nhaigh

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    I dispute the power argument. I had the same problem and the only change I have made is to change from HDMI to Component and I haven't had a single TiVo hand since.

    I support the theroy that a signal from the Sony on the HDMI cable is causing the TiVo to hang. If I go and unplug the HDMI cable from my PS3 and plug it into the TiVo and power up my TV the TiVo hangs again (25% of the time).

    As the TiVo only goes to 1080i I need the HDMI for the PS3 1080p output anyway.
     
  18. Jan 14, 2007 #58 of 188
    AbMagFab

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    Sony is the #1 HDTV manufacturer, so it serves to reason that most of the S3 owners are also Sony owners (by laws of averages).

    This is not a S3/Sony problem. At best it's an individual S3 or, more likely, individual Sony problem, or, most likely, environmental to the very small number of people that are experiencing it.

    Good diagnostics starts with the obvious - what's the pattern? If there is none, it's situational, and in these cases, most likely environmental (power, interference, signal, cables, etc.).
     
  19. Jan 17, 2007 #59 of 188
    pashasurf7873

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    well, i can also confirm it's not a power issue.hooked up an apc ups to the s3 yesterday and its locked up on me twice now when i power on sony tv.
    only way i've been able to consistantly avoid the lock up is to unplug the component cables when turning tv on.
    Aloha
     
  20. Jan 17, 2007 #60 of 188
    skydivewags

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    Do you have a multimeter? Check various combinations of the component cables when turning it on. This would be an easy check, and you can check all combinations with three checks. Actually I would check one to the other, then check each one to it's shielding. 6 checks.

    Their shouldn't be any thing more then maybe 5volts. If you have something much higher, I would get the Sony looked at. It could be a quick spike that may not show up on some meters.
     

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