Sons of Anarchy - "To Be, Part 2" - 12/6/11

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  1. Ment

    Ment Well-Known Member

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    Big letdown. Even if Romeo is an agent of the CIA he/Galindo cartel wouldn't be allowed to operate so violently within the borders of the USA. I almost laughed when he and Luis flashed their badges. After swallowing the first 5 minutes, the rest of the episode was pretty good. Gemma is going to manipulate Tara thru Wendy next season I can already see it.
     
  2. fmowry

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    I don't think Tig will take his demotion in stride. The Shield in Juice's cell was great. Makes me miss that show much more.
     
  3. uncdrew

    uncdrew Annie 2.0

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    Thanks.


    Also, when Jacks was leaving the cemetary at the beginning did you see the tombstone he walked by with "UNSER" on it.

    I thought that was odd.
     
  4. photoshopgrl

    photoshopgrl Nerd Fashionista TCF Club

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    I got the jist of what Jax was saying to Tig at the table but what did he exactly say to him before he asked Chibbs if that was okay with him? It was clear he was telling him no no to sitting in the Sergeant seat. Should have turned on my CC for that but now I've already deleted it and it's still bugging me. It almost sounded like he said "you're dead" but that can't be.
     
  5. bryhamm

    bryhamm randomize

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    thought it was on ok season ender for a great season.
     
  6. mrdazzo7

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    Thought it was a good ender... Maybe not terribly exciting, but closed up this season while leaving plenty to get into for next season. The CIA reveal in the first ten minutes was awesome--didn't see that coming at all. Its' funny how going into the episode you couldn't possibly imagine how they can get out of all of the trouble they're in, then 10 minutes in and there it is. And you can tell that was the plan all along (sutter is the master at that).

    I had forgotten about my feelings on Tara's hit but I absolutely thought there was more too that, since it was supposedly a rouge hitman doing the job but then all of a sudden a fan full of people rolls up and doesn't kill her, but grabs her. Then after she got away they showed the guys in teh fan and their reaction was off for the situation--now knowing they were 'the law' it makes sense.

    I thought Clay was dead too but after reading Sutters interview, it's actually much more awesome that he's not. He's absolutely right--it would have been cutting the character short if they killed him. He's gone from the head guy in total control of his universe to being stripped and sidelined and utterly under Jax's thumb. Watching him deal with that (and seeing how he tries to get his power back) will make for a great arc for the character.

    I'm sure the Oakland thing will be a huge factor next season, and having Tig kill the king pin's daughter which sets off the feud is fine, but the whole reason for him going after leroy is what I would consider the only "questionable" bit of writing so far... I don't understand why Clay and Jax blamed his shooting on 'color'. I get that they thought they could contain it and couldn't anticipate Tig going rogue, but it was just random... "blame it on a violent gang who we have a history with but are getting along with now for the first time in years..."

    I like it because that one moment of stupidity/ emotionally charged reaction on tig's part will set off a chain of events that will no doubt claim mad lives. It's just the build up to this massive rivalry was built on a story point I find to be...odd.
     
  7. mchasal

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    I think he said "Not there" telling him not to sit in the right hand seat.
     
  8. CharlieW

    CharlieW Go to the mall.

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    I caught that, too.

    "Chris Unser", wasn't it?
     
  9. photoshopgrl

    photoshopgrl Nerd Fashionista TCF Club

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    That makes more sense. :up:
     
  10. uncdrew

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    Carl.
     
  11. Mr. Merkin

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    I found this season kind of disappointing, the writing was pretty sloppy and unimaginative. Basically they brought in a new police chief with a hard on for bringing down SAMCRO which was just a swap-out for Hale. Then they brought in the ridiculously miswritten and miscast rogue hippy AUSA Lincoln Potter out of nowhere and he basically just picked up where the ATF chick left off, not really anything new here to see. Then Juice all of a sudden with the racial angle and now, yet one more character cut a deal with law enforcement and was hiding it from the gang, nothing new to see here, more rehash. Then they finally reveal what was a really poorly kept secret and you think it might get interesting if Clay gets killed but they come up with that ridiculous bit about Gaalen not wanting to deal with anyone but Clay and the equally ridiculous CIA business which made all the cruddy Lincoln Potter stuff basically a waste of air time and a cop out on the plots they had developed. I have a feeling this might be a show I start missing here and there and eventually drop off...
     
  12. uncdrew

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    Yeah, the CIA piece just didn't work with me.

    It came off as an "evil twin" or "it was all a dream" type of thing.
     
  13. Mr. Soze

    Mr. Soze Back by popular demand

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    The last few minutes were very good. I loved

    Bobby playing guitar in his cell.
    Gemma seeing Clay in the hospital room, and walking away with the unspoken "damn, Jax didn't kill him" from her, and the "she wanted him to kill me" from him.
    Clay as just another gang member, but scheming to get the gavel back will be fun next year.
    Jax/Tara morphing into JT/Gemma.
    The Shield on TV in Juice's cell. :up: :up: :up: Sutter found a neat way of getting Vic in the show.

    Any bets on the Oakland mob targeting Tara for real?
     
  14. cheesesteak

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    I thought Gaalen not trusting anybody in SAMCRO other than Clay was very believable. Jax went apecrap when he found out about the Irish baby mill in the US. I wouldn't want to deal with him either if I were the Irish.

    I laughed when I saw Bobby with the guitar. Does prison have musical instruments laying around?

    I thought Sutter explained himself very well in his post-season interview with Alan Sepinwall.
    http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-a...chy-creator-kurt-sutter-post-mortems-season-4
     
  15. EvilMidniteBombr

    EvilMidniteBombr what bomz at midnite

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    Great. So instead of a whole season of Jax ratting to the ATF (Agent Stall) we have him now ratting to the CIA.

    After SAMCRO feuding with the Russians and Mexican Cartels, I have a feeling some wannabe gangsta in Oakland won't scare them to much.

    Tig demoted himself when he turned in his Sgt at Arms patch to Clay one or two episodes back. So he's got no reason to be mad if Jax makes Chibs Sgt. At Arms/Right hand man.

    I do not think that word means what you think it means. ;)

    Closed caption says "You're there, brother." while Jax points at the second chair.
     
  16. dcheesi

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    Jax isn't too bright, apparently. He didn't have to mention the CIA to anyone; all he had to say to Opie or anyone else was that Galindo had some kind of leverage, and they were demanding that the deal go through.

    As for the CIA agents committing violent crimes in the US: keep in mind that the CIA doing anything within the US is officially forbidden. The whole operation is "black" to begin with, so a few criminal acts aren't going to make much difference. OTOH I do think having the recruited Mexican military guys walking around with actual CIA badges was a bit much; they'd keep them unofficial both for their own safety and for plausible deniability.
     
  17. fmowry

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    Then why did he sit in his old chair? He was pissed at Clay for beating up Gemma. With Jax in charge he probably thought he'd go right back to his old position, thus him wanting to sit in the seat to the right of the prez.
     
  18. mrdazzo7

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    Wait I'm confused then. I wasn't paying attention (apparently) but I thought Romeo and Luis were actual undercover CIA agents, in place long-term to make sure Galindo remains in control, while they secretely maintain control of Galindo. So they're not even actual agents?

    I found it weird that the CIA was involved at all... I don't know anything about law enforcement outside of TV (and some basic real-world knowledge), but why is the CIA involved in Mexican drug business? Just seemed like that would be more like the FBI or even Homeland Security territory. I felt like I was watching Alias for a minute.
     
  19. justen_m

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    To assure that the side most favorable to US interests wins. Not exactly unprecedented.
     

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