Sons of Anarchy 12/2/2014 (S07E12) "Red Rose"

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  1. Dec 3, 2014 #21 of 112

    desulliv Member

    Aug 22, 2003


    Give him a desk job that he'll quit and then drive truck...

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  2. Dec 3, 2014 #22 of 112

    midas I heard that

    Jun 1, 2000
    I've got to admit, I didn't even pay attention to the character the first time I watched it. After reading this I went back and watched again. I have no idea why it didn't register the first time since it's really obvious it's him.
  3. Dec 3, 2014 #23 of 112
    Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

    Oct 17, 2000
    No, in exchange for whatever it is that he's asking for from the other Presidents (we don't know yet), he will get his charter to unanimously agree to the deal they made (which, again, we don't know what it is yet).

    We can assume that his death is part of the deal, but we don't know that yet.
  4. Dec 3, 2014 #24 of 112

    danielhart Nerp Nerp

    Apr 27, 2004
    No. He'll go work as a logger up north. With Dexter.
  5. Dec 3, 2014 #25 of 112

    danielhart Nerp Nerp

    Apr 27, 2004


    That seems to be the idea except if it was that simple there would be no point to keeping it a mystery.
  6. Dec 3, 2014 #26 of 112

    EscapeGoat wPod TCF Club

    Oct 11, 2008
    When Clay was thrown out of the club and had his tattoos blacked out it was not a mayhem vote. The mayhem vote came later, before he was killed. Mayhem = death.

    In most shows with an anti-hero as the lead character I'm pulling for the bad guy. I liked Tony Soprano until the lights went out. I was on Walter White's side until the very end. But Jax Teller has really turned into an irredeemable scumbag, and I'll be happy to see him die.
  7. Dec 3, 2014 #27 of 112

    nyny523 Oy

    Oct 31, 2003
    New Yawk
    I just finished watching. My thoughts:

    The scene with Gemma and her dad was just heartbreaking. That was when I knew she would die. But even when Jax actually shot her, I was shocked. Her final speech made me cry. There was a lot of bad in Gemma, but there was good too. She tried to be a good mother and I do believe she loved her son, in spite of all her mistakes. One of the best things about the characters on this show is all of the shades of gray they portray - like real people.

    The Unser thing was really the only way that could have gone. No way would he have kept quiet.

    Juice and the pie. OMG. The pie. And I don't even LIKE pie.

    The whole thing is ending in a very Shakespearean style (as it started), so I don't believe Jax CAN survive. I think he is fully prepared for Mayhem. I wonder if the unwritten bylaw has something to do with his sons and the club. He did ask Gemma about JT's manuscript. It would be the ultimate in hubris if he believed the next generation of Tellers could "fix" the club somehow.

    I don't want it to end - but I can't wait to see how it does!
  8. Dec 3, 2014 #28 of 112

    zordude WDW Fan TCF Club

    Sep 23, 2003
    Nashua, NH
    The first think that came to mind for me for the bylaw was something about black members and patching in the grim bastards
  9. Dec 3, 2014 #29 of 112

    hummingbird_206 Retired

    Aug 22, 2007
    Valley of...

    There have been some terrific guest stars on this show. But the regular cast has been just awesome. None of the cast has won an emmy for this show, nor even been nominated have they? Katey won a Golden Globe but that's it for major awards. Unbelievable.
  10. Dec 3, 2014 #30 of 112

    phox_mulder I get paid 2watch TV

    Feb 23, 2006
    Salt Lake...
    The circle of life is complete, all the main cast of The Shield have had a role in SOA.

    I only did because she's tweeted how much of a fan she is, then let it slip a couple months ago that she got cast for a bit part.
    Of course it would be the last half of the season, but wasn't sure what episode it would be.

    Of course, would much rather had seen here cast as a Diosa or Red Woody employee :D, not a earthtone wearing no makeup receptionist.

  11. Dec 3, 2014 #31 of 112

    mrdazzo7 Well-Known Member

    Jan 8, 2006
    Man that felt like it was seven seasons in the making, lol. I'm usually not a fan of shows dragging stories out but Jax found out in the previous episode and I think it would have been more impactful to see him really struggle with what to do. It seemed kind of rushed with all the other stuff going on in both episodes, and we're talking about someone killing their own mother. I was surprised that it went down in this episode.

    The only other thing I wish they had done was have Gemma reiterate all the s*** she has done to Jax over the years - helping to kill his father, baiting him into killing and replacing his step father, poisoning his relationships with Wendy and Tara - the list goes on... I would have some quick acknowledgement of all that stuff just to remind him that it's not just the latest thing, it's years of manipulation.

    I think Jax has been written so well over the show that while he's done a lot of messed up stuff, there are always circumstances of confusion, manipulation, false sense of duty, and often times necessity... All the stuff he's done this season which has resulted in countless deaths can be attributed to "the lie" and so I was back on his side last week when he found out the truth - the sense of betrayal would have to be crushing, to know you did all this evil *** because your mom lied to you. But the whole Unser thing turned me off. It's not that he killed him, it's that he did it and then had a conversation next to his body like it never happened. This is someone he's known his entire life who has done a LOT to protect the family and club, and neither of them even talked about it, lol.

    I'm definitely curious to see what happens next week but I think there's still stuff close up. I think since they did this "event" in this episode that we can expect a lot of closure next week - full closure and not BS Dexter closure. I think Jax has more of a conscience than most people on the show and whatever he's spinning in motion will involve penance for him. As for everyone else, they all pretty much deserve to die.

    Nero and Wendy are the only two people on the entire show who should be alive at the end.
  12. Dec 3, 2014 #32 of 112
    cherry ghost

    cherry ghost Well-Known Member

    Sep 13, 2005
    I had completely forgotten that Hal Holbrook played Gemma's father.
  13. Dec 3, 2014 #33 of 112

    Sparty99 Well-Known Member

    Dec 4, 2001
    Ferndale, MI
    This is the problem I have. It's been a few seasons since I said, "Jesus, it's getting really hard to pull for Jax anymore." I think it was when he drugged Wendy that he was irredeemable.

    I kept watching the scene in the garden wondering when Nero was going to show up. I still don't quite understand why he didn't. One minute he said he was going up there to save Jax, then he never shows up and just goes back to the house.
  14. Dec 3, 2014 #34 of 112

    Mikeyis4dcats Well-Known Member

    Oct 2, 2003
    you want the kids dead too?? I mean, Abel sucks as an actor but....
  15. Dec 3, 2014 #35 of 112

    tlc Active Member

    May 29, 2002
    This. I think Jax is accepting (even embracing) his death. He broke a rule that means death. Juice accepted his fate. Gemma accepted her fate. Jax is accepting his. When he told the MC everything would be OK, he meant for the club. He promised to get them to go along with the death vote.

    And I do think the "unwritten bylaw" they were talking about striking was about his kids. He doesn't want them to be "legacies". He's getting them out.

    He's going to find time to kill Barofsky. The only thing I can't figure is how the Irish Kings issue will wrap up.
  16. Dec 3, 2014 #36 of 112

    zuko3984 Well-Known Member

    May 4, 2002
    Nero was never going to go. He sent Unser because he knew what would happen if he went and tried to stop Jax. He said if he went it would end bad. Either him or Jax or both of them would end up dead. I really think Nero thought there was no way Jax would kill Unser so it was safe to send Unser to stop Jax.
  17. Dec 4, 2014 #37 of 112

    Shaunnick Active Member

    Jul 1, 2005
    Knoxville, TN
    Sup, man.
  18. Dec 4, 2014 #38 of 112

    Sparty99 Well-Known Member

    Dec 4, 2001
    Ferndale, MI
    OK, thanks, I totally missed that.
  19. Dec 4, 2014 #39 of 112

    goblue97 Welcome Home, Jimmy!

    May 12, 2005
    What about the other member of the Strike Team (the one with the beard)? I can't even remember his name but he became more prominent in the later seasons. Was he ever on SOA?
  20. Dec 4, 2014 #40 of 112

    VegasVic Craps Player

    Nov 21, 2002
    The Craps Table
    That was what I was thinking too.

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