So, will there be a NON-HD Series 3?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Jasoco, Jan 8, 2006.

  1. Stormspace

    Stormspace Electrocuted by TiVo

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    I tend to agree with you and in general am annoyed when people suggest a solution that involves throwing money at the problem to get it to go away. It must be a human thing though since I catch myself doing it at times as well, but I do try not to.

    Tivo on a 13" screen is better than no tivo at all. :) In fact I was using mine on a thirteen inch screen just this past weekend during a move cuz it was easier to set up. My problem now is I have a solid oak entertainment system and my tivo has replaced everything in it but my dvd player and tv. I'm sitting there with a mostly empty unit and a 500.00 piece of furniture that will likely jus tgo away when I finnally get around to getting a 50-60 inch tv next year.
     
  2. HDTiVo

    HDTiVo Not so Senior Member

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    Much of my thinking is about TiVo's product strategy. What will they introduce that meets the needs of broad market segments, rather than say we have THIS box and you can also do X,Y and/or Z to make it work for your needs.
     
  3. kjmcdonald

    kjmcdonald New Member

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    That's a cell processor- vastly different programming model (why that can be fatal), and what is the input mechanism- I don't think PS3 will have cablecard support, or analog inputs to digitido they even allow hardware expansion?[/QUOTE]

    Note: I said 'Viewer Only.' No need for a tuner or video inputs. I just want to pull video from another tivo over the network and display it on this second TV. I shouldn't need a full blown Tivo to just watch things already recorded on another Tivo.

    I can see why some people may have trouble keeping a Game machine in the main TV watching room. Whether that's true or not though, I think that people who are 'shoved' off to some other room would still find it useful to be able to watch the Tivo'd programs from that room.

    -Kyle
     
  4. kjmcdonald

    kjmcdonald New Member

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    Something to keep in mind when you read these 'well you can do X' suggestions:

    It's not always clear on a medium like this board what other ideas you've considered and rejected. Or what special circumstances you may have. The person suggesting 'X' may (even Probably) thinks you might not have thought of X, or considered X.

    Most people here (the one's who post expecially) are of the 'helpful' type. If they can think of anything that might even remotely help, they tthorw it out there. They're not suggesting you *have* to do it, or trying to force their will on you. They're just throwing an Idea out there for you to consider and think about in your own situation.

    That's politics. A good example of your point, but I'm guessing you're not expecting to debate that in this thread. :)

    -Kyle
     
  5. Stormspace

    Stormspace Electrocuted by TiVo

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    Ummmm. Me. I may get an HD set sometime in the next year, but I certainly won't be replacing all five sets with HD. A couple of these are less than 2 years old. I dropped digital because it was too expensive for the value, and that money could better be spent on a couple of monthly subs for tivo. Frankly I hope that there are many more of us out there that refuse to go digital, so that the cable companies are forced to use the channels that our sets are already configured to recieve, rather than forcing us to rent their equipment and padding the bill as a result.
     
  6. ChuckyBox

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    Just to add a little fuel to the speculative fire, a Smith Barney Citigroup analyst issued a reiteration of his "buy" recommendation on TIVO on 1/9, and in the report he said he expected to see a dual-tuner SD box this year. Given that this guy has better access to TiVo's management than most of us, I give this speculation some weight.

    A dual-tuner SD box would fit in well with TiVo's focus on the analog basic cable market.
     
  7. Stormspace

    Stormspace Electrocuted by TiVo

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    I've had the S2 TiVo open and looking at it it seems like a beefier tuner card is possible. I wonder if they could retrofit a new tuner into the old S2's and with a software update allow the S2's to record two channels at once, but perhaps disable MRV and Togo while it was doing it.
     
  8. Curtis

    Curtis New Member

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    Yep. he called it a Series 3 Lite.
     
  9. thomasplock

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    Yeah, the Series 3 was kinda hidden at CES, and not really announced. You really had to know what to look for to find it. Would you really need a dual tuner TiVo Series 2 ? You can always get 2 current series 2's and network 'em. Thats what I do to kinda make my own dual tuner. Ha Ha TiVo, no buying another box till the HD one! CES was packed to the brim with other stuff. Anyone see the HUGE true HD plasmas? I want, nay, NEED one!
     
  10. thomasplock

    thomasplock New Member

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    I'm all for an Apple OS X TiVo hybrid!!! BUT I don't see TiVo embedding their software in TV's unless they brand their own, and from the looks of it they don't have to capital to start such a project, but if Apple or God Forbid MS, bought TiVo, an Apple HD TiVo Flat Panel would go up in every room of my house.
     
  11. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    yes it would break all the software so that would have to be redone ala DirectTiVo box along with User interface changes for dual tuner, and the CPU would have to be able to deal with two streams of recording along with the playabck stream and MRV/TTG streams. Also no sense in a dual tuner having a 40 or even 80 gig drive with the ability to record A LOT of shows on the one TiVo instead of across two like most people do now who have conflicts. Alos you need to deal with the ATSC/NTSC antenna issue.
     
  12. classicsat

    classicsat Astute User

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    The tuner that is there is as good as it can be. You need to add a second tuner, and the encoder, and somehow connect that to the mainboard. That is if one can be connected.

    In the real world, it wouldn't be commercially viable, even if it is technicaly viable, for the cost to retrofit a second encoder to existing series 2s in the field would be prohibitive.

    The series 2.6 (theoretical), could have easy attach facilities for an add on tuner/encoder unit. (something akin to the network card connection on an S1)

    (Just,IMO) within possible technical and economic possibility is a USB based video tuner/encoder, but only on 240 series boxes.
     
  13. Stormspace

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    I agree that a field retrofit wouldn't be an option. I was thinking specifically about realizing value from the remaining inventory that TiVo has by changing the spec's on the original Series 2.
     
  14. classicsat

    classicsat Astute User

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    The logistics in bringing in a customer box would be cheaper that the cost to retrofit a second tuner/encoder to, IOW getting the DVR to the retrofit plant would be the easy part, wht goes on inside is the hard part, to retrofit a second encoder board to an existing S2 design.

    It would be easier/cheaper to engineer/manufacture a new dual tuner/encoder board that replaces the current mainboard, than to develop/manfacture/install an add-on board that can be added to an existing S2 box. Cheaper yet, would be to make two separate DVRs work together.
     
  15. megazone

    megazone Hardcore TiVo Geek

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    Re-manufacturing is often more expensive than manufacturing. If they were going to introduce a new box they'd just sell off most of the existing stock, then introduce the new one - and then dump any remaining old stock dirt cheap, most likely.
     
  16. ChuckyBox

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    Hmm. Tivo.com out of stock. Amazon.com out of stock. Best Buy (online) out of stock. Comp USA having a "clearance" sale on 40-hour TiVos ($19.95 after rebate). Best Buy selling $19.95 TiVos. Target giving them away with the purchase of a TV.

    I'm just sayin'. :D
     
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    megazone

    megazone Hardcore TiVo Geek

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    They could also be phasing out the 40 hour box and making the 80 hour the low end - had drive size/price curves march ever on. *shrug* It can be hard to read the signs because they can mean different things. And if this is a 'Series3 Lite', keep in mind they've stated, repeatedly, that the Series3 is second half of the year. It is too early for stock flushing for the S3. There could also be some HW re-spin, it has been done a few times over the life of the Series2. 1xx to 2xx to 2xx-A to 5xx.
     

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