So whatever happened to the HD revolution?

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by texasdiver, Apr 4, 2006.

  1. Apr 4, 2006 #1 of 34
    texasdiver

    texasdiver New Member

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    It's now been exactly 2 years since I dropped a cool grand on a new HD Tivo machine in anticipation of rapidly growing lineup of HD offerings from DirecTV.

    Much to my disappointment, over the past two years I have seen exactly two new HD channels show up on DirecTV: TNT-HD and ESPN2. At the same time I watched my NFL Sunday Ticket in HD disappear behind an outrageous additional fee. Aside from the occasional college football game on ESPN2 I figure that on balance my HD viewing is worse today than it was 2 years ago.

    Do I get to look forward to a whopping two more additional HD channels in the next 2 years? How much longer do I have to wait until the one channel I really want to see in HD, the SciFi channel, actually makes it to HD?

    I don't really frequent this forum much unless there is something wrong with my machine. Luckly since the HDMI and then the Hard Drive burnt out on my first machine after 6 months, I haven't had any other problems and it's been ticking along flawlessly since then.

    Anyway, just felt like venting on the 2 year anniversary of my HD Tivo purchase!
     
  2. Apr 4, 2006 #2 of 34
    newsposter

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    how can they give us something that doesn't exist? :) Unfortunately we can't fault DTV if it doesn't exist. now stuff like the movie channels in HD, that's their fault!
     
  3. Apr 4, 2006 #3 of 34
    durl

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    As far as the HD Revolution as a whole, we shouldn't ignore the growing number of HD programs available on the networks over the past 2 years.

    Regarding satellite HD, we just have to give the networks time to get HD material together. I believe the clock is ticking and we need to see something soon, but I'm willing to give them a little more time to get some new HD networks up and running.
     
  4. Apr 4, 2006 #4 of 34
    bladewalker

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    It got over-compressed!

    Eye popping HD has definitely declined over the past two years as infrastructure providers have discovered they can squish the heck out of HD and still bandy about their "HD" service. I remember all the crowing DirecTV was doing 2 years ago about all the HD that was imminent. I don't hear nearly as much now.
     
  5. Apr 4, 2006 #5 of 34
    pitboss01821

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    I understand your Rant completely.

    After much research into which provider was best for my 50" plasma, for the money, i had to cancel my DTV sub and go with cable.

    DTV will forever be behind things when it comes to HD or it will compress the signal to an unwatchable analog "stretched" signal so it can squeeze all the channels on its satellites.

    I'm a satellite fan who was completely disappointed in what they have to offer for HD and what they would do to the signal before it would get to my TV. I'm not paying big bucks to watch a compromised Tv signal.

    i'll stick with cable and when the series 3 comes out, i'll be happy all over again.
     
  6. Apr 4, 2006 #6 of 34
    alv

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    remember there are plans to greatly increase our HD in the next 9 months or so. IF you can't wait - switch.
     
  7. Apr 4, 2006 #7 of 34
    rminsk

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    By adding more locals :rolleyes:
     
  8. Apr 4, 2006 #8 of 34
    texasdiver

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    Yeah, that's what they said 2 years ago. Something about how new HD material was coming out soon. Especially with the competition from Voom. We all know how that turned out.

    Cable is not an option. I live in a rural area with no cable service. So it's satellite or nothing. I get ABC, NBC, CBS, and PBS locals from Waco in HD. Fox is only SD analog but I don't miss that except during football. and of course the local FOX affiliate has no plans to upgrade to digital much less HD and won't give waivers either, the *******s, So I'm stuck with DirecTV and have to pay for locals just to get crappy a crappy SD Fox feed or else hook rabbit ears directly to my Samsung DLP and use the analog tuner in the TV to get a fuzzy Fox signal. Yuck.

    It's just disappointing that here we are 2 years later and without any real meaningful increase in HD coverage even though 2 years is supposed to be an eon considering how fast most of this technology progresses.

    Meanwhile I find that I use Netflix more than anything to watch movies on my Samsung DLP which, while it isn't HD, is really quite watchable.

    But it just makes me want to scream sometimes to think that I have something like $5 grand invested in home entertainment equipment yet perhaps no more than 15-20% of my viewing actually takes full advantage of the technology sitting in my living room.

    I would pay a serious increase in monthly fees just to get SciFi, FSN, and some more movie channels in HD.
     
  9. Apr 5, 2006 #9 of 34
    missparker10

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    I guess it's just me then because I'm quite happy with the way my HD channels look. I find them alot better than my SD channels. Yes, I wish there were more of them, hopefully the future brings more of them. But I find them lovely to look at. :D
     
  10. texasdiver

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    I guess I just don't understand what the current barriers are to more content and channels.

    Doesn't appear to be a bandwidth issue. DirecTV can certainly handle the bandwidth. They do on sundays during football season when they add all the HD sunday ticket channels.

    Doesn't appear to be a content issue. Take the SciFi channel, for example. At least some of their original content is already in HD because it comes on 6 months later on Univerval HD. And the DVDs are far superior to the crap we get on their SD channel.

    Nothing makes me want to scream more than to watch something like Battlestar on my 50" DLP in SD with black bars on all 4 sides. Same thing when I watch vintage movies on AMC and the other vintage movie channels.

    So what are the big barriers to getting more HD channels up and running?
     
  11. alv

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    Directtv has 2 satellites launching this year that will help bandwidth.

    content providers need a financial incentive which doesn't seem to be profitable yet. Look at Seinfeld which is now available in HD in syndication. Not one station has converted even though many transmit in HD
     
  12. teasip

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    I don't know what happened to it but I know I just dumped the HD package, again. By the time I need TNT-HD for NASCAR I'll be on FiOS TV most likely.
     
  13. newsposter

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    are they gonna more the HD channels off the 119 ever? I can't see it from my location but am pretty sure i could see the 103/99 since they would be higher
     
  14. TimGoodwin

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    Ah, that's next year for the two new satellites.
     
  15. speedcouch

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    While I'm extremely disappointed that DirecTV hasn't picked up Starz and Cinemax HD yet, I do find that we watch more and more HD stuff OTA lately. Between NASCAR and football, plus a lot of good new network shows, I certainly think I'm getting my money's worth out of my HDTV than when we got it 4+ years ago. Sure I'd rather see Sci-Fi and a couple of other channels in HD too, but I feel there's a lot more HD content every day. I think it just depends on what you watch.

    Cheryl
     
  16. PierreS

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    I totally sympathize with TexasDriver and my area supposedly is ahead of the times on HD. I live in an outlying Seattle suburb and receive OTA NBC, ABC, CBS, WB, FOX, Paramount, PBS, and a couple of "God" channels and a shopping channel (in HD). The vast majority of the day, the signal's nothing more than upconverted NTSC content. Ironically though, I do watch more primetime network shows when they're transmitting in HD. Jay Leno and David Letterman are stunning in HD. Lost is very enjoyable too in HD. But for the most part, I'm surprised there isn't more content available.

    As for cable, my local provider doesn't bother to show NBC's feed anymore in HD because the local provider (KING) is trying to charge more than the other networks for an HD feed. That's the story I'm getting from my cable provider. I tried contacting the local NBC affiliate and they didn't even bother to counter my provider's claim. So the only way I can enjoy it now is to pay extra for an HD "tier" package which consists of NBC, a crappy movie channel, PAX (which looks simply dreadful in HD), ESPN (which I could care less about), TNT (which frequently upconverts from NTSC), and the Discovery Channel HD.

    Rabbit ears work half way decently, but only from one side of my house. So I'm basically stuck with this half baked cable offering.

    I don't hold the cable company entirely at fault obviously. And I agree that it's bewildering how few cable channels have converted over the HD. There are plenty of folks now upgrading to HD. It's a crying shame cable channels haven't picked up the pace.

    As for HD Tivo, we're using it less and less and we switch to HD viewing. The industry is definitely in a state of transition and I'm sure it's only bound to get worse.
     
  17. ShiningBengal

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    The Discovery Channel is available in HD right now, but DirecTV won't provide it. That is a quality channel. Instead, they give us Law and Order reruns on TNT-HD stretched to an unwatchable 9x16, and other reruns ad nauseum.

    Lets face it: As long as people will watch crap in HD, that's what we will get. I never believed the hype about 1500 HD channels. I watch about a dozen channels on DirecTV, most of them not in HD. Why? Because they are still worth watching in SD. It would be nice if they were in HD, of course, but I refuse to watch ANYTHING merely because it's in HD. In Minneapolis, we are about to get our local news in HD. Oh great: Twits with big hair and capped teeth chit-chattering about nothing and calling it "news" in HD!!!! I can hardly wait.
     
  18. MNTivoGuy

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    Didn't they tell you? The HD Revolution will not be televised.
     
  19. MNTivoGuy

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    D* has carried Discovery HD Theater since the HD package launched
     
  20. jeffl

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    D* has done more harm to hd than any other provider. The compression has really got bad over the last three years. The variety is poor. They add TNT which shows everything in sd stretch. Uhd has 90% B movies, and Hdnet-I have little idea what is on that channel half the time. I find dvd as about as good as D* hdo/showtime hd. The dvd has better 5.1. Time to kick Rupy to the curb.
     

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