So What do think abou the HR20?

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by JoeAverage, Aug 20, 2007.

  1. Billy66

    Billy66 Again with shoelaces

    Dec 15, 2003


    It is. It was introduced to the market first to by DirecTv to DirecTv customers with UltimateTV and then through their massive investment and partnership with TiVo. Took TiVo another 4 years to get that in the hands of their SA customers.

    Maybe you should be thanking Microsoft engineers, they got it to market first.
  2. Bathel

    Bathel New Member

    Jan 24, 2004
    Have you tried pushing the "LIST" button on the remote? Brings up my recorded shows in one press every time.

    BTW, mine are listed in recorded order (albeit in folders, which is fine by me).

    I'm a big Tivo Fan, but I have to say that the HR20 has some very good points and even more features that will be coming soon (Video on Demand and Remote booking).

    I have to say, I miss most the Tivo Remote. It felt better in the hand, was better layed out, and had more solid feeling buttons. Not to mention it looked better. I miss the sound effects of the Tivo too....
  3. montag

    montag New Member

    Mar 10, 2001
    I'm loving the screen saver. Works out great when I pause something, walk away, and don't come back for a 1/2 hour. My plasma display is very happy.
  4. JohnB1000

    JohnB1000 Well-Known Member

    Dec 6, 2004
    I liked the dual buffer on the TIVO units but I just don't miss it at all on the HR20
  5. Sir_winealot

    Sir_winealot Seenyer Member

    Nov 18, 2000


    That's because it doesn't have it.

  6. JohnB1000

    JohnB1000 Well-Known Member

    Dec 6, 2004
    Depends on which way you look at it. I found that I didn't really need it and have basically stopped using it on the TIVO units also. Using it was more of a habit than anything I really needed.
  7. kmill14

    kmill14 New Member

    Dec 11, 2006
    According to dbstalk's forum, its the #1 requested item, so it seems a lot of people look at it as something they would like. (of course they would probably need to pay royalties to install it, but thats just mho)

    Either way, I hate not having it on the HR-20.
  8. milominderbinder

    milominderbinder New Member

    Dec 18, 2006
    The workaround is a kludge, I totaly agree. But there are some who do use it so people should know it is possible.

    - Craig
  9. jaypb

    jaypb New Member

    Dec 10, 2003
    I've been a member of DBSTalk since 2003, so I'm very familiar with the site as well as the tools you have over there. I have several of your cheat sheets printed out and scattered throughout my sofa/ottoman. Have I read them all? Nah. I only posted the question here to see if I could get a more Tivo-centric response from those who are uberly Tivo familiar vs. HR20 familiar as far as comparisons go.

    Having said all that, I don't think the response you gave in #3 above "gets" me to where I need to be. Again, I have upwards of 20 items in some folders. I have them sorted so that most recent recordings are first in the folder, oldest last. Now, if I'm watching Baseball Tonight episodes, obviously I'd like to watch the oldest I flip down to the oldest one, watch it, delete it, and when the HR20 returns to My Playlist (within that BT folder) it automatically goes to the first show in the folder (i.e the NEWEST/most RECENT). When the 10-250 deletes a show that is the oldest in the folder it simply returns to the show RIGHT above the one that I deleted in the folder....NOT the first/most recent one in the folder. Is there a way on the HR20 to NOT have this behavior occur? Or is that just the way it is?

    I'll post this question over at DBSTalk as well. I did a search over there recently, but didn't see anything related to what I was trying to do....or at worst, I'm doing a poor job of verbalizing what it is I'm trying to do :(

    Regarding #7----that doesn't really help me if I want to peruse (i.e) all Redskins related programming or University of Tennessee related programming (whether it be game related, coaches shows, highlight shows, etc...) and only record the ones I want to record. If 25 saved searches is the limit as of right now, I think I can handle that....but as I'm trying to transfer over my wishlists from the 10-250 to the HR20 I'm sure I'll go over 25 soonly.

    Thanks for the info. :up:
  10. coachO

    coachO New Member

    Nov 25, 2004
    This is actually one of few threads I have read where people are being objective and helpful instead of bashing the HR10 or HR20. Thanks all!
  11. wallyj

    wallyj New Member

    Jun 2, 2004
    Ft Worth, TX
    I've had two HR20's for a few weeks now. Have to say I'm pleasantly supprised so far. I like them, and my wife does too.
  12. AVPhan

    AVPhan New Member

    Oct 20, 2004
    So far after two months, piece of crap. Total un-user friendly, built and designed by a bunch of idiots. If I had a choice (to get new HD channels), it is out the door.

    The reasons: eSata replacing internal disk crap, unfriendly search, search resulted in massive list and middle of my list scroll it re-do the search and got me back to the top of the list, my channels bug crap showing channels I do not have, search showing channels I do not have.
  13. JohnB1000

    JohnB1000 Well-Known Member

    Dec 6, 2004
    You can really only say that if you compare to the TIVO. IF you say that TIVO is #1 (I'm not saying that but just for discussion) then HR20 is clearly #2 for me, the Comcast and similar boxes are terrible. While the HR20 is not perfect I would argue that neither is TIVO it's just the way we've got used to it. Kinda like driving a car for years then switching to a motorcycle and saying it's crap cause it doesn't have 4 wheels.
  14. jshaffer85

    jshaffer85 New Member

    Dec 14, 2004
    The HR20 is better than I expected but it still comes up far short for me.

    1) No dual buffer. I'm so used to watching NFL this way and trying to record two games to simulate DB just doesn't cut it. Why they didn't incorporate this feature is unfathomable to me.

    2) Channel changes are slow for me. Compared to HR10 it takes 2-3 extra seconds to change channels. Perhaps it is my drive but I expected better performance. Guides are faster than HR10.

    3) Choppy frames on forward and rewind. No comparison, Tivo wins hands down.


    1) 90 minute pause Live TV.
  15. milominderbinder

    milominderbinder New Member

    Dec 18, 2006
    Sorry. I am the guy who wrote the Tips & Tricks. I also wish the the PlayList would remember where I left off. It is on the WishList. I would say to post your thread over at dbstalk. DIRECTV does read those threads. dbstalk does have a backdoor that you can use to help with the PlayList sort order though. Those discussions should go there for that tech support. The kludgy DLB workaround proves that the HR20 has the capabillity, it is just so hard to use.

    - Craig
  16. redondoman

    redondoman New Member

    Dec 1, 2002
    I've been a Tivo user since 01 and I have to say I'm pleasantly surprised. I do miss the 30 second skip, which was more accurate on the Tivo, but other than that it does what I want it do. For instance season passes, keyword searches, dual input record all seem to work fine so far (I've had it for 2 months now). I actually prefer the menu setup as you can select all kids shows, all HDTV programs, all movies, all music programs, all news, etc. Once the new MPEG4 channels start broadcasting it is going to be a slow march downward for Tivo & DirecTV.
  17. milominderbinder

    milominderbinder New Member

    Dec 18, 2006
    I wish I understood why DIRECTV would not have the 30 Second Skip to be 35 Seconds. It is just 5 seconds too long for between snaps. So I hit REPLAY as I come out and come up pretty close. Two words: Duh-umb.

    - Craig
  18. joelq

    joelq New Member

    Oct 8, 2006
    I complained about this too, but it's actually the MPEG4 content that is choppy with trickplay. You'll notice that with MPEG2 the HR20 is actually on par with Tivo.

    The box is just pushing more bits doing the realtime MPEG4 decoding than it did with MPEG2. Of course, there's no way to check this out on a Tivo because there's no MPEG4 support.

    MPEG4 trickplay smoothness has gotten better over time, but ultimately they'll probably have to put a beefier MPEG4 decoder chip in an update to the HR20 before it'll be what we expect.
  19. rjnerd

    rjnerd New Member

    May 27, 2007
    2 and 3 are partly endemic to MPEG4. All the video formats send an entire frame at regular intervals, then just the frame-to-frame changes, until its time for another full synchronizing frame. On MPEG2, this happens every 15 frames. On -4, it can be as many as 200. You can't change channels until you get one of the synch frames. This is less than a second on -2, worst case could be almost 4 seconds on -4. The forward/rewind is often done by jumping between synch frames.
  20. Krookut

    Krookut New Member

    Apr 7, 2002
    Bethlehem, PA
    I really wanted to like the HR20, but in my first 2 weeks of ownership, have had empty recordings, where the programs show up in the list, but nothing is there, and also missed recordings, which I had to manually force. Not a good start so far.

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