So What do think abou the HR20?

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by JoeAverage, Aug 20, 2007.

  1. Sep 6, 2007 #81 of 319
    whitepelican

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    If you want to get technical, it was late 2004 when some enterprising folks learned how to load v4.0 software from the SAs onto DirecTivos, thus enabling the HMO and MRV on the DirecTivo. There's an "official" thread at DDB discussing it in Nov. 04.
     
  2. Sep 6, 2007 #82 of 319
    watchdogfl

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    No... you are not the only one... YES... you are in the minority, at least based on my experience. BUT... I run (make that USED to run) in the NFL Sunday Ticket crowd. Dual Buffers made watching 2 games AWESOME. Better yet, you could concentrate on one and use the other to surf between various other games or keep it on the red zone channel.

    DO NOT give me that lame excuse of recording two games. That totaly defeats the flexibility and freedom of live dual buffers.

    Now for my 2 cents on the HR20 vs. HD Tivo. I left DirecTV for cable before the HD Tivo came out. I was fed up with their outragous leased equipment costs and their 2 year commitments everytime you did anything hardware related. After 11 years of platinum packages and NFL sunday tickets they finally got too greedy for me.

    I hooked up Cable and ran DirecTV side by side in my home for a month. The HD video quality was noticably better on cable. As seen by me and several of my friends. Cable required no contract and I knew I coudl pick up a variety of tivo products. I hooked up two S2 DT Tivos and let me tell you that MRV was a hit from day one. I dropped Directv a few days after that.

    I picked up an HD Tivo a month ago and have been sublimely happy with it. It is Tivo with HD and awesome quality. MRV will be here for it before end of year. My friend recently got an HR20 and we did some comparison viewing and playing. His only regret is that he is such a huge soccer fan that he had to go with directv because our cable company did not carry setanta (sp?). We decided that out of a 10 point review we would give the Tivo a 9 (until MRV and T2G are released which would be a 10) and the HR20 a 7. Both do the same job but you get more reliablity from season passes and better development and features on the Tivo... but you pay for that, monthly.

    Basically if all you care about is every HD channel under the sun... you have to go HR20. If you are pretty mainstream about what you watch in HD, SDV will not bother you 90% of the time. And anyone who says SDV will break Tivo S3 boxes has not read the news. SDV may impact you for a short time, 1 or 2 fiscal quarters, but Tivo has a fix, cable labs has already said it will allow work arounds for this (i.e. usb dongle) and Tivo will support it. And if you don't believe that, just go back and read all the naysayers that said S3 would never get MRV or T2G. Well guess what, they're in Beta and will be out in November.

    So... go with the HR20 if you are not picky about HD video quality and don't mind slightly less functionality and slightly less UI saviness.

    Go with HD Tivo if you like your cable company line-up, want the top of the line DVR product, and want to watch any show you record on any of your DVR's, or your laptop, or ipod, etc.
     
  3. Sep 7, 2007 #83 of 319
    Frank_M

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    I'm happy with my two HR20's right now, I do like the speed, and I can be a bit patient with them fixing the autorecord bug.

    The thing I miss most is Suggestions. I know people here mostly dismiss it, but I used it a lot. I don't necessarily want to have season passes for shows that I like to watch on occassion (M*A*S*H, Simpsons, etc) but I like being able to rate them so that I normally get a few of them recorded. Same thing with some of the shows on the travel channel, and even the occassional movie.

    But otherwise, I like the unit very much.
     
  4. Sep 12, 2007 #84 of 319
    davahad

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    Had the HR20 for about a week now so haven't done many recordings or series recordings yet which is most important to me in a DVR.

    However, I can say that the HR20 30 Second Slip (skip) sucks. I've watched a couple of recordings using this and it takes about 10 seconds to skip 2:30 minutes of commercials (yes that's only 5 button presses) where the HR10-250 takes around 3 seconds and they happen as fast as you can press the 30 Second skip button. It's also annoying having to watch commercials slip by so slowly and I now miss the HR10-250's 30 second skip.

    I will continue using both of them until the HR20 proves reliable at not missing recordings.
     
  5. Sep 12, 2007 #85 of 319
    Jebberwocky!

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    I like it - you can press the 30 sec and the number of times you pressed it shows up as a number to let you know. Then if you see the show come on you hit play and it backup us a bit.

    I never used the 30 sec skip on the 10-250, I preferred to use FF.
     
  6. Sep 12, 2007 #86 of 319
    RS4

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    It's obvious you never used the 30-sec skip. If so, you would not like the 30-sce slip on the HR20.
     
  7. Sep 12, 2007 #87 of 319
    RS4

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    I hope you have a lot of patience. The box has been out for over a year and the major feature still doesn't work.
     
  8. Sep 12, 2007 #88 of 319
    Jebberwocky!

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    I used it plenty, I prefer to FF. The HR 20's way is a nice mix of the two.

    The only obivious thing is your inability to make or accept changes ;)

    So far I like what I've worked with. Time will tell me if it is ready for prime time.
     
  9. Sep 12, 2007 #89 of 319
    Billy66

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    If I used it for commercial skipping I think I would like the skip better, but for me the only time I use it is in between plays in football so I find the slip a bit better because the play gap is 25 seconds and the skip 30 so it helps me not go into the next play as often.

    If I used it for commercials it would be too slow.
     
  10. Sep 12, 2007 #90 of 319
    guins

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    I've had my HR20 for a week and a half and I've given a fair chance to impress me and for me to get used to it. Disclosure: I've had TiVo for many years, but I was open to new ideas and ways of doing things.

    Overall the HR-20 is a serviceable DVR product if NOT FOR THE for the pixelation. Damn some recorded programs get totally ruined by pixelation. Thank God I have Dtivos to duplicate record shows because I would never rely on the HR20. I thought software upgrades had fixed this probelm.

    Another thing that sucks is no dual live buffers. If you are a sports fan these are must. That is ususally the only time I watch live tv and DLBs are a nice feature. I also do not like the small tv screen that pops up on the menus. I wish you could turn that off. The 30 second skip blows and the jump to tick is lame too.

    There are some good improvements that would be nice in a TiVo....recording a show is fast, menus are fast, and recording in HD is the biggest plus. There are other enhancements but they are minimal.

    I cannot believe how bad the pixelation is. And it lasts and lasts.....not just a second or two....which is what I expected when reading about the problem beforehand. It will totally ruin a recording rendering it unwatchable or even listenable. Bad!

    Please TiVo and Directv get back together and make a worthy D* HD box!!!
     
  11. Sep 12, 2007 #91 of 319
    Indiana627

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    I've had an HR20 for over 3 months now and never since a recording with pixelation. Haven't had any issues yet. I used Tivo for 3+ years prior (still have a Tivo upstairs).
     
  12. Sep 12, 2007 #92 of 319
    stevel

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    I can't tell any difference in picture between my HR20 and HR10. No more or less "pixelation". I have seen signs of over-compression on some SD channels, but that's not the box's fault.
     
  13. Sep 12, 2007 #93 of 319
    RS4

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    In my mind, this is just another poor imitation of a great Tivo feature. The commercials on many of the channels (like Discovery) are constantly repeated. Once I've seen them, I'm not interested in viewing them and/or watching them pass by the screen again. Being able to press the button to skip through them quickly is the ultimate convenience. This is one of the major reasons I prefer Tivo.

    Yes, I admit it. I think the Tivo features are well thought out and meets my viewing habits the best of anything that I've read about and/or seen. The only HR20 feature that I would be even remotely interested in (other then mpeg4) is the VOD. But, I'll wait and see what happens. I certainly don't want the HR20 with another 2-year commitment.
     
  14. Sep 12, 2007 #94 of 319
    Jebberwocky!

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    is the 2 year committment the real deal killer for you?
     
  15. Sep 12, 2007 #95 of 319
    Billy66

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    Actually RS4 it's not a feature of TiVo. It's a back door code that the user must enable. It was a feature of ReplayTV, but TiVo was too chicken to implement it out of the box.

    I like the skip too, but TiVo only "kind of" gave it to you after everyone else shamed them into it.
     
  16. Sep 12, 2007 #96 of 319
    milominderbinder

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    Guins, have you reported this in the Issues threads at dbstalk.com? The reason I ask is that I just did a search for pixellation and pixelation in those threads and see only one report but it states that it might have been due to weather.

    If you are having a problem, the developers need the details as to channel, program, date, and time, signal strengths, etc. Also, was it live TV or a recording, just playing or using trickplay? With good info, they can hunt it down. Please click here to report for 0x18a:

    http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=95608

    If it is an ongoing problem, please post a picture if you can. It seems that most report, as you have seen above, that the HR10 and HR20 pictures are very comparable. The MPG2 is not nearly as good as the MPEG4 that will be coming shortly.

    Please let your voice be heard.

    - Craig
     
  17. Sep 12, 2007 #97 of 319
    RS4

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    Yes, it is for now. DirecTV doesn't have a product that I want to sign up for another 2 years and they will not even let me try it out.

    I've read enough about the HR20 to have a strong feeling I won't like it. I love the way the Tivo works and that is more important to me then where I get the video. So, I'm not willing to fork over $300 just to try out a box that I have strong doubts about.

    I don't like the picture showing while I am in the menus. I don't like the way the search and auto record features work. I don't like not having a way to filter channels, and I certainly don't like the remote, although I'm sure I can program it into my current all-in-one remote.

    I do like the vod and mpeg4 and would love to at least give it a try, but not if I have to sign up for 2 years.
     
  18. Sep 12, 2007 #98 of 319
    Jebberwocky!

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    I look at it a little different - lets say I had cable w/o any committment. If I bought a Tivo S3 for $500, that is money I spent up front.

    When I bought my 10-250's I paid $800, $350 & $300 for them, again money spent upfront.

    They gave me the 20's (nothing up front) but make me committ to 2 years. If I decide to leave after a few months and do something else, I pay at that point but I'm still ahead of the game.
     
  19. Sep 12, 2007 #99 of 319
    coachO

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    I really dislike the HR20. I am sure I could easily list 20 things I dont like about it but why waste the time - to each his own.

    Bottom line is that the first one they sent me is in my basement sitting on the floor, the 2nd one is in my son's room connected with only one sat line. He only uses it to record one program and he is sure he got stuck with the old tivo and wants to know why he cant get one like I have, lol.
     
  20. guins

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    No I have not reported it but I will.

    The last two incidents that I remember were a recording of the Miami / Oklahoma football game. I think that was an ABC game so I was recording HD off the bird.

    Also, several times it has happened on 'The Tonight Show' which is also recorded off the bird.

    In fact I have not been recording OTA since my locals are in HD.

    This is not minor pixelation. It is so bad that you wouldn't recoginize the video (i.e. you couldn't guess what you were watching) or hear any audio. And it lasts for 10 or 15 minutes virtually ruining your recording.

    It does not seem to happen much during live tv, which I rarely watch except for HD Sporting events. Although it has happened during live events, but does not last as long or I flip to OTA if I can to see if that helps.

    It is weird but it seems maybe FFwding triggers it like when a tape gets stuck in a VCR after you are ffwding and there is slack or something. I know that is not it, but that is what it feels like when you are buzzing through a taped program. Because with the Miaimi/OU game and The Tonight Show, these are programs that I ffwd'ed through to browse the program. I did not start at the beginning and just let it play and skip commercials.
     

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