So What do think abou the HR20?

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  1. Oct 5, 2007 #261 of 319
    bonscott87

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    Must be confusing me with someone else. I personally think the free or nearly free offers will be a flying early next year just as they have been pretty all this year only they will be forward in offering it instead of letting the customers come to them. There is no reason why they won't offer to upgrade people. Now if people refuse to upgrade then they will be out of luck in terms of HD but that will be their choice because DirecTV isn't going to delay the shutdown of MPEG2 HD just because some people refuse to upgrade. It will cost them much more money in not be able to recover the bandwidth for other uses (such as the need to meet the goal of all 210 markets SD locals as terms of the Liberty buyout and losing their lease on 72.5) then it would cost in lost customers that refuse to upgrade. As Earl has mentioned, there is a lot more going on that is pushing the move to MPEG4 then just converting customers.
     
  2. Oct 5, 2007 #262 of 319
    ebonovic

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    Just like with the TiVo unit...
    If DLB was added to the HR20, it could (and probably should) be coded to detect "user" usage of the tuner... It actually does that now for the primary tuner, if it doesn't see any type of IR for 4+ hours... it thinks no one is there using it.

    Just like the TiVo unit.
    So PUSHED-VOD, would follow the similar rules (if it was coded to do so).

    The DoD (Vod), is primarily via the broadband/ethernet connection.
    Yes, the HR20 is enabled with a network port, that will use your broadband connection if you allow it to do so.
     
  3. Oct 5, 2007 #263 of 319
    ebonovic

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    Do you think any coding on a device this complex is "easy" or "cheap" to do?
    Same goes for the TiVo unit... any development of a "new" feature, isn't easy or inexpensive to do.... as you have to pay for the resources to do it, and take them away from doing something else... aka... expense.

    Really... so you have done market research to know what ALL dvr users want... not just those that frequent Forums?

    Glad you all can ignore the sports tickers, or have developed work arounds to not be "spoiled" by scoring updates.... what do you do when the announcers verbally let you know the score with out any warning?
     
  4. Oct 5, 2007 #264 of 319
    jimb726

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    I understand that, I guess I just dont see the logic in giving away something to someone who doesnt want it in the first place. I dont mean that to satrt a fight, but in your case, you have said many times that you wouldnt take a box even if they give it to you because of the commitment. I respect that, certainly your perrogative. Now if I am a company why waste resources on someone who absolutely doesnt want my product? In your case you would have to make a decision, do I want Directv or do I want Tivo. Either one is subjective, but to me by next summer I would certainly think that most informed consumers to whom Directv is more important thatn the delivery portal will have made the switch, and whoever is still at the dance will either have to s**t or get off the pot. So to speak.
     
  5. Oct 5, 2007 #265 of 319
    bigpuma

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    I personally believe that DirecTV should give away or sell cheap HR20s to people who have HR10s because they are making the box essentially obsolete. I paid $850 for my HR10 and I would be annoyed if I had to pay another $300 because I can no longer get the HD channels I was getting with my HR10. To me it has nothing to do with whether people like the new box better or worse but the fact that they are making it obsolete.

    In my case I already got a free upgrade back in October 2006 so I am happy. I plan on purchasing a new HR20 or HR21 (when available) in the future and I will have no problem paying for it since I already got the upgrade for my HR10.
     
  6. Oct 5, 2007 #266 of 319
    jimb726

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    I dont agree, obsolete implies it is good for nothing, reached the end of its useful life. Thats not the case here, the unit itself is still a fine piece of equipment, it will recieve all SD channels, will have the MPEG2 hd's for the foreseeable future and it still can recieve OTA HD programming. No it wont be able to decode the MPEG4 signals but thats technology. But to say its obsolete, I dont think that is true.
     
  7. Oct 5, 2007 #267 of 319
    bigpuma

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    I was referring to when DirecTV changes the current Mpeg-2 HD channels to Mpeg-4, meaning all HD channels provided via satelite would be switched to Mpeg-4 therefore you would not be able to receive them on the HR10. I think that is at least partially obsolete. Sure you can record OTA HD and SD but that is not as much as it is able to do now.

    ETA: I didn't mean DirecTV needs to offer the upgrade free for now but when they start removing the Mpeg-2 feeds of HD channels.
     
  8. Oct 8, 2007 #268 of 319
    jimb726

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    Sorry, I guess i misunderstood the post. You are correct. :up:
     
  9. Oct 8, 2007 #269 of 319
    milominderbinder

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    1. I think that the HR10 will still be able to receive SD and OTA HD after the MPEG2 shutoff.
    2. People are getting $99 or $19 or even free deals here: HR10-250 and MPEG4; Upgrade Offer
    3. Many are getting the same deal on additional HR20's at least as of today.

    - Craig
     
  10. Oct 8, 2007 #270 of 319
    RS4

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    Of course they are and about half of them want the DTivo back, so they are locking themselves in for 2 years with equipment they don't want. :mad:
     
  11. Oct 8, 2007 #271 of 319
    Billy66

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    No RS4. Half of them want an mpeg4 TiVo. ALL of them want the new HD stations.
     
  12. Oct 8, 2007 #272 of 319
    RS4

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    Yup - agreed :p
     
  13. Oct 8, 2007 #273 of 319
    milominderbinder

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    There are actually six key warnings a user should consider, not just one:
    - Unless you pay $749, the HR20 will be leased.
    - Adding new equipment requires a 2 year contract commitment.
    - Confirm your work order with the CSR
    - Verify your order online
    - Verify your changes to your bill online.
    - DIRECTV must do the installation.

    I think that whenever we provide the warnings, we owe it to the person to tell the whole facts not just part of them.

    RS, if you give the link to the Getting a Good Deal on an HR20 link they can see all of the warnings detailed out. It also includes the links they will need for more information.

    Take care,

    - Craig
     
  14. Oct 9, 2007 #274 of 319
    RS4

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    Thanks Craig.

    I didn't see anything in your link that according to the poll, over half of them will want an mpeg4 DTivo. (BTW, that poll of Earls is quite reflective of the Engadget poll and other threads at dbstalk and here. I read a thread at dbstalk where I calculated that only one third of the repsonders said it was a good replacement for the HR10-250. Earl's poll shows around 42%.)

    If you are giving them warnings, don't you think you should tell them up front that chances are you'll not like the box? :confused:
     
  15. Oct 9, 2007 #275 of 319
    fasTLane

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    Haven't you been paying attention? It does not matter whether or not you like it. It is the only way to get the new channels. Like a fois gras goose being fed for the slaughter, the menu is somewhat limited.

    Take it or leave it. ;)
     
  16. Oct 9, 2007 #276 of 319
    bigpuma

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    At the risk of sounding like a broken record is there any chance you would link to these polls. I would like to see them.
     
  17. Oct 9, 2007 #277 of 319
    ebonovic

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    bigpuma

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    Thanks Earl, that is exactly why I would like to see the links in his post. It gives it more context and I don't have to take his word for it. Not that I don't trust RS4. ;)
     
  19. Oct 9, 2007 #279 of 319
    RS4

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    I was referring to your poll plus a thread I did some calculations on plus the Engadget poll.

    The dbstalk thread was something I saw a week or two ago, so it was recent. The OP had a question something to the effect that now that the HR20 had been out for a year, would you recommend it as a replacement for the HR10-250 as he was considering getting one. At that time, as I recall, there were at least 3 pages of replies.

    I simply categorized the replies into yes, no, and in-between. There were around 30 unique folks responding - about 1/3 said yes, they would recommend it, 6 said no they wouldn't and the others were in between - some saying it was the only way to get mpeg4, others saying to keep it as insurance, others saying use the HR20 only for mpeg4 and Tivo for the rest, and the final middle area was it was okay.

    Those numbers from the thread I sampled are about the same as your poll and the engadget poll.
     
  20. Oct 9, 2007 #280 of 319
    ebonovic

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