So What do think abou the HR20?

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  1. Oct 4, 2007 #241 of 319
    jimb726

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    Curiously and not to start a war, but why does everyone feel that they will offer the replacements for free? Wouldnt it be the opposite? I would have thought by that time they would say "We know that everyone who wants to change, has" so the ones that havent, either dont care or have another reason for not switching. While I understand the desire to not lose anyone I would think that the decision is going to be very heavily weighted based on how many people still have units in operation. I would think that there is a number where they just finally say, here is the best offer, take it or leave it. I hope not but it seems that they have bent over backward over the last 18 months, and even now they appear to be tightening the purse strings significantly. Like I said, I hope I am wrong but I would like to hear a convincing argument other than, "they owe us".

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  2. Oct 4, 2007 #242 of 319
    milominderbinder

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    They already did the free deals (after credits) for much of the summer and until the new HD Channels launched.

    Even now, people are still reporting $99 or even $19 deals in this thread:

    HR10-250 and MPEG4; Upgrade Offer

    Right now you can get an HR20 for cheap for the new channels (and old) and keep your TiVo for the old channels. Double the tuners, double the storage.

    The free deal seems to have already come and gone but still people can get really good deals.

    What happens after the press release finally goes out that the new channels are up?

    We will see soon enough.

    - Craig
     
  3. Oct 4, 2007 #243 of 319
    ebonovic

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    Just slightly next to zero.

    It is not a feature that is in active development.
    It is not even on the short list of features to begin development.
     
  4. Oct 4, 2007 #244 of 319
    Scooter

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    Here's what I do when I'm desperate for Dual live buffers, Sunday Ticket for instance: I record one game that I know I want to continue watching and then I select another game I want to watch and I use the previous channel button to swap tuners. As long as one tuner is recording a station you can jump back to the other tuner. I does get a bit messy if you start surfing around to other stations though. It's not perfect by any means, but it is an option.

    Scooter :)
     
  5. Oct 4, 2007 #245 of 319
    MurrayW

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    Yeah, I am aware of that work around and it sounds like that is what I will need to do next year . What I usually end up doing with my HR10-250's right now is to record 1 game (the Chiefs!) and initially pick 3 others that I think will be good games to watch. As the games progress, the initial 3 that I picked change especially in the last 1/2 hour of the games when the games become more or less interesting.

    thanks,
    Murray
     
  6. Oct 4, 2007 #246 of 319
    MurrayW

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    Can you give me a little background on why it is not even on the short list? From what I have read, this is pretty high on the wishlist of DirecTV HD users and there are many like me who consider this an important feature. It seems as though there are 2 distinct camp: people either really like DLB's or could care less about them -- there doesn't seem to be any middle ground.

    But if this is a highly desired feature by a good portion of the users what is the reason not to want to develop it? Is it because:

    1. It is too hard to do
    2. It is too expensive
    3. It is proprietary to TiVo
    4. They just don't care what their users would like to have
    5. Other

    thanks,
    Murray
     
  7. Oct 4, 2007 #247 of 319
    hiker

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    Someone with HR20 please explain the channel numbering scheme. It looks like the channel numbers are the same for HD and SD, like 247 for TBS-HD and TBS-SD, 244 for SciFi, etc. When you key in 2 4 7 which version of TBS do you get and how to directly get the other? Or does the SD version completely go away?
     
  8. Oct 4, 2007 #248 of 319
    Billy66

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    DLB is actually number 9 on the list of features requested by HR20 users.

    http://www.sizethis.com/index.php

    Hiker, if you enter the channel number you get the HD channel first. Hit channel up and you go to the SD version (which will have the same number)

    I think/wish that they would just eliminate channel numbers altogether and just show the network identifier. Ie TBSHD, TBS etc. We're not using dials any longer, so numbering is completely unnecessary.
     
  9. Oct 4, 2007 #249 of 319
    ebonovic

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    Yes... that is the numbering scheme...
    The HD and SD share the same number.

    On an HR20 (soon to be the same on the H20), when you key in the number... it will default go to the HD version.

    You can still access the SD version by then hitting channel UP, or directly selecting it on the guide.

    There is a feature in the CE/Test versions of the code, that give you the options to hide all SD duplicates, so they don't appear in the guide.
     
  10. Oct 4, 2007 #250 of 319
    ebonovic

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    Well... I can't share with you all the reasons... but I can share some...

    There are a lot of factors that go into the discussion of DLB.. .and there are many of threads that will go a lot deaper...

    But the bottom line is... DirecTV made the decision to not include DLB, based on a number of reasons.... their decision to not work on it right now, still are directly tied to the original reasons as well.

    Yes... they understand that there is a "large" population of users that would like to have that feature.

    No... it is not a "licensing" thing

    Yes... "Hard" and "Cost" those all are a factor that goes into the overall decision.

    No... it is not that they don't "care"... as the fact that it has not be completely remove from the list, and is still discussed as a possibility...

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    With regards to a middle ground on the issue.... what would the middle ground be? There is a middle ground... like me.

    I could care less if it comes or it doesn't come.
    If they are there... I may use them.
    But after not having them for 2 years... and primarily watching pre-recorded content, I have simple stopped the need/desire to try and watch two live programs at once.

    With sports tickers on the football games, baseball/basketball games... the "suspense" of seeing the action... just isn't there anymore for me...

    I record the "other" game if there is really something I want to see...
     
  11. Oct 4, 2007 #251 of 319
    coachO

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    Earl, thanks for the information. It really does help quell the feeling that D* just doesn't care about their customers. Between the customer service reps and losing features it is easy to turn to the "dark side".
    I guess I just want my cake and eat it too. On the other hand I am quickly adapting to having 4 tuners. So far, the HR20 channel guide is set for only HD channels and I am recording some things I don't normally view. But sill using my HR10 as my trusty "mule".

    Next thing you know we will all want 4 tuners with buffers or QLB!
     
  12. Oct 4, 2007 #252 of 319
    unclebrownie

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    HR 20 seems to do what it is supposed to although it can be a "PIA" to use because the UI is not as good as Tivo , and yes i do miss the DLBs a lot.
     
  13. Oct 4, 2007 #253 of 319
    itzme

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    Earl, Might one of the unmentioned reasons involve D*s desire to use a second buffer for another reason? maybe content of some sort, like ppv?
     
  14. Oct 4, 2007 #254 of 319
    ebonovic

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    No...

    PPV is recorded on demand by the user.
    VOD via Broadband connection...

    Pushed VOD, respects the usage state of the unit.... So if something is recording on the background tuner, it will not download... and will try again at another time.
     
  15. Oct 4, 2007 #255 of 319
    itzme

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    Earl, please help me understand your reply. You said that pushed VOD tries another time (if the unit is recording something on the other tuner). Well if the unit had dual live buffers, wouldn't we ALWAYS be recording on the other tuner, making VOD impossible for Directtv to push content? I also don't understand what you meant about Broadband. Does the HR20 use broadband (unlike the HR10)?
     
  16. Oct 5, 2007 #256 of 319
    bigpuma

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    DirecTiVos push content as well using one of the tuners so it does not make it impossible.

    As for broadband VOD requested by the user downloads via the internet. So yes the ethernet port on the back of the unit is active and it can be networked. Also you can use it to listen to music or look at photos from a computer on your network.
     
  17. Oct 5, 2007 #257 of 319
    MurrayW

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    With enough practice, you can train your eyes/mind not to pay attention to the tickers. :D And with 30 sec skipping through the huddles you pretty much take care of any in game highlights they might show of another game. I tend to watch a couple of drives of each game then switch to the next one so I usually end up only being about 10 to 15 minutes of real time (not game time) ahead of the game I am the farthest behind on. My wife complains that I just sit on the couch all day on Sunday watching football, but I am actually quite active trying to switch back and forth among all 4 games -- I really get a workout! ;) This would not be the preferred way a lot of people want to watch the games, but for me it is!

    Murray
     
  18. Oct 5, 2007 #258 of 319
    RS4

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    I think one of the reasons the box would be offered for free is because the holdouts don't want the HR20. We prefer the HR10-250 or a Tivo mpeg4, so if DirecTV wants to keep this crowd as I believe they do, regardless of what Scott says, they will put out a bunch more carrots :p .
     
  19. Oct 5, 2007 #259 of 319
    RS4

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    I infer from this that DLB is something that will be hard and expensive for DirecTV to implement. And once again, this tells me that DirecTV did not bother to study the dvr market or what users want most... i.e. this box is built by a company that is not in the dvr business - it's an afterthought. That again is why many folks consider the HR20 to not be in the same class as the HR10-250.

    It seems to me that it would be a good feature to turn off the sports ticker on the paid sports packages. I ignore the sports ticker as others mentioned. I also use the 30-sec skip when they go 'back to the studio for an update'. That way I can watch the games later in the day or in the week. That's also one reason I never watch ESPN Classic - they always say what's coming up in the next segment. Who wants to watch a game when they already know what's coming up?
     
  20. Oct 5, 2007 #260 of 319
    Billy66

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    They gave me my HR10-250 for free too RS4. Same reasoning?
     

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