So happy my Tivo is back!

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by swinca, Feb 15, 2011.

  1. shwru980r

    shwru980r Well-Known Member

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    Obviously if you've got a 100" screen you're going to need an HD source. The other thing you aren't considering is that many HD TVs do a poor job of displaying SD content. The size of the screen and the ability to display SD content are important factors to consider.
     
  2. lrhorer

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    I've got a 62" and a 150". The 62" is also HD. Its picture is far superior to the 52" SD set it replaced. The projector on the 150" screen replaced an SD projector, and the difference there was even more astounding.

    I fail to see why. The ratio of SD material to HD material is dropping fast. The ratio of SD material to HD material I watch is basically zero. As I said, SD is just too tedious. It actually makes me physically uncomfortable.
     
  3. gastrof

    gastrof Hubcaps r in fashion

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    I agree with Steve.

    While I can see a significant difference with most HD displays, if all you want is to watch a show and see and follow the story, SD is fine. It's all we had for a VERY long time, and we got along all right. The fact HD is now available doesn't make it the only game in town.

    With cable boxes that will work with SD devices, and digital converter boxes for OTA, there's no need to change over. It's just an option.
     
  4. swinca

    swinca Menace to society

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    I definitely agree with this. And also with the poster who said that size matters. Of course I prefer HD on the big screen. But there are shows that I like on channels like IFC and Current that are not available in HD on my carrier. In those cases, SD works fine and can be a better experience.
     
  5. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    about a year or so ago - I needed to replace my main TV. Of course I thought about flat screen and HD but looking at copy protection flags on digital content - I made the choice to keep recording analog so I could move content around among my Tvs and to my portable devices with ease.
    So I got a really nice SD tube set 30" for like 600$ that does a great job with the color depth. This is TV after all and I would rather spend my money to be able to manage the content so as to have exactly what I want to watch ready to go.

    Soon I will get a Flat screen (wife now wants to redo the room ;)) and likely make the switch to HD. I really hope TiVo gets streaming out on the Premiere boxes ASAP
     
  6. lrhorer

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    My living room TV, an old Hitachi rear projection set (45", if I recall) died for about the 3rd time in late 2005. The repair would have probably cost $250 or so. I decided it would be better to buy a new set. I got a 52" Mitsubishi 1080i DLP. Investing in a new set based upon an out of date (and soon to be dead) technology was not a consideration. Of course, at the time TiVo had not yet released the S3, so I temporarily procured a piece of @#%$ Scientific Atlanta 8300HD until such time as the S3 was to be released. The 8300 was an unmitigated nightmare, and I was never so happy to be rid of a device in my life as when I purchased my S3, but even with the torture of having to deal with that hunk of garbage, I still used it in general preference to my S1 TiVo.

    Eighteen months later, the bulb on my Sharp LCD projector reached its end-of-life. Not only would the bulb have cost $300 by itself (for a mere 1500 hour drop-dead lifespan), but the LCD element was starting to suffer contrast fade and showing some distracting artifacts. Once again the choice was pretty clear.

    I don't own any portable devices, and I certainly would not view video on them if I did. Moving analog video around is much more difficult than digital (not to mention the significant diminishment of PQ associated with analog copies).

    You're kidding me, right? Management of your content has absolutely nothing to do with the capabilities of your displays, and the very best PQ is in no way even remotely exclusive of the best management methods.

    That's (in a round-about way) one reason why I do not recommend the Premier.
     
  7. nmiller855

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    Because of my OCD, I always have a couple of spare TiVos on hand. A couple are standalone series one & a couple are DirecTiVo capable. When one starts acting up, I just switch it out. I replaced a power supply in my original series 1 that I won over ten years ago. For about $15 it was as good as new & put back in service.
     
  8. lrhorer

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    I assure you I would never engage in any significant activity in such a superficial and shallow manner. Life is far, far too short not to dig in as deep as one can into every experience.

    That's nonsense. TV in any form has not been around but for a rather short time. Both of my grandfathers were dead before they were invented. When I was very young, we did not have a TV at all, and I was a Junior in high school before we ever got a color set. Even today I may go more than a week without even turning on any of the TVs, and I could do very well indeed with no TV at all.

    Chateaubriand is by far not the only game in town, either, but if one's budget can easily accommodate it, there is no pretending a MCDonald's hamburger is a reasonable substitute.

    There is no need to employ anything more than a 12" B&W TV. Indeed, given the choice between buying a dozen good books or a TV of any sort, I'll take the books any day. Fortunately for most of us here in America, both books and TVs are inexpensive enough that we can do both.

    These comments remind me a little bit of a classmate of mine in college. Eight-track tapes were still available, but their cost was going up and their availability going down. My class mate, however, refused to buy a cassette because he did not want to have to spend all the money to convert his entire eight-track collection. I, for one, still have a turntable, a cassette tape deck, a CED disc player, a LASER Video Disc player, and a VCR - all still functional - but I don't pretend any of them are preferable to the video server.

    I even still have a 25" NTSC color monitor in the guest room. I can assure you I don't watch it.
     
  9. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    if you got off your high horse for a minute and thought about the people you are replying to you might even get what is being said.

    I have tsated in this forum several times I own a good many TiVo DVRs. So if I say I am recording analog it really means I am not using cable cards and converting the analog signal from my cable company into digital recordings on the TiVo. I do that for the convenience I mention and of course that precludes HD from cable. I do record some OTA stuff as digital.
    So no signal strength hassles, no SDV, no copy flags , no big bill to cable company. I sit down and watch TV anywhere in the house, and MRV any show I want with no hassle - with 4 kids and lots of varying taste in media that is a big benefit

    If you want to get into the latest PQ and have it be all HD - then fine by me. Spend the money on the earlier tries at tech while they get it right. Have fun with an SA8300HD that works like poo. I was merely stating that with the correct TV set choice, analog from the cable company works great and is just as enjoyable to watch, especially if it is entertainment like sitcoms or American Idol - really do I need to see Steven Tyler in HD?:eek:

    I mean really - SD is shallow and superficial? I think it would be statements such as that you tend to find in the shallow end.
     
  10. lrhorer

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    I read what was being said. I see no evidence that anyone else "thinks about" me when they reply, so I see no reason to "think about" them. I have an opinion, and I am free to express it, without any consideration of anyone else's opinion. You have your opinion, and you are free to express it, without any consideration of mine or anyone else's. If you convince me, fine. If I convince you, fine. If neither convinces the other, fine. Otherwise, anyone who modifies their opinion merely because of thinking of someone else is a fool.

    Presuming that would require assumptions on my part. In any case, it's still more trouble and results in lower quality.

    I fail to see how it is convenient. I record digital content - virtually all HD - to my TiVos. If I choose, I select the content (usually in batches) to be transferred to the video server. If I had the desire, I could choose to transfer to one of the other TiVos via MRV. How is that less convenient?

    Now it is my turn to suggest you "get what is being said". In my response to you just above, I gave the timeline of my purchases. A six year old TV, a five year old projector, and three TiVos aged between 3 and 5 years old can hardly be considered "the latest". I'm not suggesting anyone hang out on the bleeding edge, here, and I don't think it is unreasonable to suggest that people upgrade to a fifteen year old technology or abandon a dead one.

    I expressly said it was anything but fun. It was horrible. If not for the superior audio and video, it would have been far, far from worth it. As it was, I could not have cared if the S3 cost $2000 when it was released. There was just no way I was going to put up with the 8300H for one minute longer than I had to. That said, it was - just barely - worth it for HD programs. At the time, HD programs were not quite ubiquitous, and the amount of HD available was not overwhelming. Things in this respect have changed a lot in 6 years. Now there is far, far more quality HD available than anyone could ever make full use. Making HD my top selection criteria does not wind up with a list with fewer programs than I can ever possibly watch. Nonetheless, it is not my top criteria, even so.

    Prior to my purchase of the S3, there wasn't any good reason to record an SD program on the 8300HD, so I continued to use my S1 for SD programming. After purchasing the S3, there was no longer any point.

    I don't watch game shows. Even if I did, however, I would not have been buying the TVs to watch them. As I pointed out, I could easily watch the evening news in SD and yes, there are a few old sitcoms I enjoy, but I did not buy the TVs to watch the evening news or old sitcoms, either. I'm certainly not going to buy a separate TV just to watch the evening news and some sitcoms, but a 22 minute sitcom is just about the limit of time I can watch most SD material, until a small pain begins to develop between my shoulderblades and my face muscles begin to be sore.

    That's not what I said, although the inference is partially correct by induction. It is shallow and superficial not to seek a deep and meaningful experience in everything one does. To quote Dr. Lao: "Every time you pick up a grain of sand you hold a universe in the palm of your hand." The most successful traveler through this life limits neither his investigations of what lies before him nor the tools he will employ in that investigation. If a piece of technology such as an HD display allows me a greater appreciation of something I enjoy, then I take advantage of it. If not, then I ignore it, no matter how new or "cool" it might be.
     
  11. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    the no copy flag - in TWC area that would crop on many of my digital recordings - rendering all of the above moot - how do you propose to make that convenient.


    as for your idea of watching TV to the fullest can only be done by having HD and then you recount all the pain of trying to get HD at the earliest possible time frame and thus putting up with crap like the 8300HD for the little bit in HD at the time - :p.
     
  12. lrhorer

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    The same way I do - circumvent it. I'm also on TWC, and I transfer whatever I like without consideration of what TWC chooses to do with the copy flag. Admittedly the Tuning Adapter is a minor inconvenience from time to time, but then most of the channels available via the TA are not available without it, whether SD or HD, so the HD / SD question is largely moot WRT the TA.

    By late 2005, it was more than "a little bit". There was already a significant amount of quality HD material available. A number of quality channels were available in HD, including the main PBS channel and the main HBO, Showtime, Cinemax, and Starz channels, plus The Movie Channel. It was around that time that HD Theater, HDNet, and HDNet Movies were added, as well. The national networks also converted to HD circa 2004 - 2005, although I was not interested in their content. It's no longer 2005, though, and while I was willing to take on the onus of being a moderately early adopter at that time, this is no longer the case for any individual contemplating the move to HD. The early adopter stage is long behind us, and the technology is quite mature. Most CATV systems have steadily added HD channels to their lineup and upgraded many or most of their SD channels to HD. In 2005, there were perhaps 20 or so HD channels in the local lineup. Now there are more than 100.

    Anyone who cannot afford the move from SD to HD has a perfectly good reason not to upgrade, but given a budget that can handle the cost, there is no significant technological excuse for not upgrading.
     
  13. SullyND

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    The only reason I got an HD tv is my SD TV died. The only reason I got a TiVoHD is my SD DirecTiVo died. I've had a BR Player since I first got my TV.

    I could not care less whether the content I watch is HD or SD. It makes not one bit of difference to me.
     
  14. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    so everyone should just stay with an TiVo HD and hack it :rolleyes:

    You want HD and went through the pain to be an early adopter. I was also just paraphrasing you as to the quantity available.

    Obviously though if we do not all admit to being shallow and superficial you will just keep posting about your superior ways so have fun with that

    ETA - I see lrhorer decide he had to yet again regale us with his superior ways. One minor point - I siad stay with TiVo HD since premiere can not be hacked but you of course dance around the hack part that is a big part of your answer. No worries though, welcome to my ignore list
     
  15. lrhorer

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    That, or an S3 would be my recommendation, yes. The Premier offers nothing of great value compared to the S3 platform (other than speed), and has some serious issues. If those get resolved, then the situation is different.

    Interesting that you refuse to upgrade when a very significant and important aspect of the technology is involved, but sneer at failing to upgrade for solid engineering reasons.

    Which really has nothing to do with someone making the decision to move or not today. You also miss the point (or are deliberately ignoring it), that even 6 years ago, I was not very much in the way of an early adopter. When I purchased my first HD set, I got a fairly good deal because it was already a discontinued model, its replacement having been released some months earlier.

    No, you were trying to dismiss my position by attempting to trivialize the statements I made. It is a common but rarely effective debating ploy.

    I never accused anyone of being shallow and superficial. That is not for me to judge. It is up to each person to look back over their own life and decide whether they have taken the opportunity to experience each and every moment - both painful and joyful - to its fullest or if they have squandered those opportunities in mediocrity and apathy. To be sure, watching TV falls way down the list of importance when it comes to the things that make life meaningful, and if I were forced to choose between quality TV viewing and any of the myriad more important things in life, I would give up the TV in a heartbeat. I choose, however, to seek excellence and richness in every aspect of life, no matter how small or large. It is a cliche`, but nonetheless true, that often it is the little things in life that make it rich.
     
  16. orangeboy

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    I would have to disagree. I pyTivo push quite a bit of high bitrate mp4 files to my Premiere that absolutely not playback on my Series 3 (namely 1080p content). Many, if not all, of the other features remain equal. If it weren't for my Premiere, I would be missing out on the other quality content that's available.

    Not trying to stoke any fires here, just adding my two cents. ;)
     
  17. shwru980r

    shwru980r Well-Known Member

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    Moving analog content between Tivos is very fast and there is no degradation in picture quality. I've found that when I move an analog recording from an S2 to a Tivo HD the picture quality is significantly improved.
     
  18. dlfl

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    My it is getting "deep" in here. :p We all need to go ponder some "deep thoughts" I think. :cool:
     

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