Smallville - 1/26 - Reckoning

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by busyba, Jan 26, 2006.

  1. Jan 27, 2006 #61 of 111

    MassD New Member

    Sep 18, 2002
    Leominster, Ma


    I dunno... It seems to me that Jor-El is using humans as pawns, something to be used to teach Clark some lessons.

    Yeah, he gave Clark a second chance, but he also pretty much said that if he took that second chance, someone else he loves is going to get off'd...

    that hardly sounds compassionate.
  2. Jan 27, 2006 #62 of 111

    JimSpence Just hangin'

    Sep 19, 2001
    Binghamton, NY
    Call me misinformed, but I don't see why everyone (almost everyone anyway) is so down on Kristin. I think her acting has improved quite a bit since the show first aired. And, the eye candy ain't that bad. :)

    After this episode, I'm wondering how often Ma Kent will appear in future shows. In the old Superman series, Clark went to Metropolis right after Pa died.
  3. Jan 27, 2006 #63 of 111

    busyba The Funcooker

    Feb 5, 2003
    I'm a lot more down on the character than I am the actress, but as far as eye-candy goes, Chloe (and to a lesser extent, Lois) has her beat by a mile.
  4. Jan 27, 2006 #64 of 111

    jcondon Well-Known Member

    Jul 9, 2003
    I think this is even worse for Clark. Can't be with the woman he loves AND loses his dad to save her in first place. You know Lex is going to hook up with her and that will not sit well with Clark.

  5. Jan 27, 2006 #65 of 111

    TAsunder Debates Ghee vs Gi

    Aug 6, 2003
    Madison, WI


    It seems to me that the writers are doing a good job of toeing the line with Jor'El. They never come flat out and say it, but it seems to me that Jor'El is just giving clark information, not performing any sort of act of retribution. He informed clark that he will pay a price for giving up his powers and getting them back, but that doesn't mean that the price is being enacted by the fortress/Jor'El. Don't kill the messenger and what not.
  6. Jan 27, 2006 #66 of 111

    Figaro El Caganer

    Nov 9, 2003
    Somwhere in...
    Here is the French site that keeps getting mentioned.
  7. Jan 27, 2006 #67 of 111

    IndyJones1023 Auteur

    Apr 1, 2002
    Orlando, FL
    Wow. I watched this with my boys and it hit a little too close to home. I was pretty choked up. I need another drink.
  8. Jan 27, 2006 #68 of 111

    Droobiemus PSWii60

    Sep 30, 2004
    Might as...
    Totally agree.

    When I was watching the first half, I was like, "And THIS is what a hundredth episode of a TV show should do!"

    And during the second half: "Same old, same old..."

    Though I did like that there were several teases about who COULD die. I thought it'd have been hella cool for Jonathan to have killed Lionel.
  9. Jan 27, 2006 #69 of 111

    trausch New Member

    Jan 8, 2004
    At least Pa Kent was killed in the 100th episode. This should make John Schneider elagable for all those residuals from syndication. I will miss his character as he is my favorite after Clarke and Lex.
  10. Jan 27, 2006 #70 of 111

    Peter000 Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Apr 15, 2002
    Red Wing, MN
    This episode just totally pissed me off. In the opener, when Clark took Lana to the Fortress, flew(?!) her up to the ice cliff, and told/showed her everything (I kind of rolled my eyes at the coal to diamond thing) I was literally yelling "AWESOME!" Finally, just drop the "I can't tell her thing." That has gotten so OLD. Then came the car crash and Lana lying dead... I wasn't happy about it, but I wasn't totally upset 'cause I figured it might be her. That would totally clear the way for Lois and Clark.

    And then they hit the RESET. The CHEAPEST out in storytelling. I almost turned off the TV right there. And the whole "oh, someone has to die because you're saving her" "Life for a life" thing, I just don't buy. Clark's saved people plenty of times without consequences. And why would getting his powers back demand a life be taken? It doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

    I didn't mind that Jonathon died... I just wish they hadn't done it this way. Clark could learn his "lesson" fine another way. Yes his actions have consequences. Duh. He can't save everyone. Duh. There are lots of ways to show that without resorting to cheap tricks and metaphysical hoo-hah prophecies.

    I can't begin to tell you how I despised the latter half of this episode. Well, I guess I just did. But there's no end to my ranting, so I'll stop here.
  11. Jan 27, 2006 #71 of 111

    Graymalkin Grumpy Poster

    Mar 20, 2001
    I wonder if they'll make Martha the state senator in Jonathan's place. It'd give her something to do, because she sure ain't going to run that farm by herself. And it'll offer opportunities for Lionel Luthor to make another play for her.

    Let's hope she doesn't fade into oblivion the way she did in the first Superman movie.
  12. Jan 27, 2006 #72 of 111
    Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

    Oct 17, 2000
    The reset didn't bother me, because it was so transparent almost from the beginning of the episode. Everything was just too perfect to be real. (Personally, I thought it was Jor-El showing Kal-El how disasterous getting what he wants would be.) I was more annoyed by the first half hour, which I knew was just a waste of screen time that could have been spent on something real, and meaningful.
  13. Jan 27, 2006 #73 of 111

    IndyJones1023 Auteur

    Apr 1, 2002
    Orlando, FL
    What's with the time travel crystal? They really pulled that outta their asses, didn't they?
  14. Jan 27, 2006 #74 of 111

    Graymalkin Grumpy Poster

    Mar 20, 2001
    I wonder if they pulled it out of Eliza Dushku's... never mind.
  15. Jan 27, 2006 #75 of 111

    Hoffer Eat Lightning ----- Poo Thunder TCF Club

    Jun 1, 2001
    Twin Cities, MN
    I cheered when Lana died. I get so sick of Clark and her and their stupid little conversions every episode.

    The proposal was cool, but the rest of the episode was a yawner.
  16. Jan 27, 2006 #76 of 111

    Idearat Active Member

    Nov 26, 2000
    Another chuckle I don't think anyone's mentioned.
    During the first half when Clark jumped to the top of the fortress with Lana in his arms. Her comment to him: " I bet that's not the first time you've done that". Don't think it would have helped his case if he'd told her that he'd been practicing that move with Cloe and that she's been there a couple times.
  17. Jan 28, 2006 #77 of 111

    TiVoJimmy Member

    Jan 3, 2005
    If I remember correctly, 'a life being taken' wasn't because of his powers being returned but because Clark was brought back to life after dying.
  18. Jan 28, 2006 #78 of 111

    smak TV MA SLV

    Feb 11, 2000
    NoHo, CA USA
    Out of all the big Smallville episodes this was the weakest for sure.

    Things that seem to be dumb:

    Doesn't Clark see that the exact same thing happened to the Lana who didn't know his secret than did to the Lana who does.

    He's all worried that knowing his secret will cause harm to her, when the same exact thing happened when she didn't, except for the fact that he saved her.

    Also, now that pa is dead where do we go from here. Same old same old? I know that his death did different things in different comics and the movies, but can Martha keep the farm without him? If she becomes senator, they'd have to sell the farm, and it seems like a good time for Clark to go to Metropolis.

    It seems like this was the episode that should have been a month for the series finale.

    Which brings me to what i think is the major problem of the series, especially the last few years, is that they don't know when it's going to end. All this excess stuff seems to be time filler to me until they start the ending of the series.

    It's all been too long. In various comic forms, he was Clark running around doing heroic things, and then either Superboy running around, or going to Metropolis without being Superboy. There won't be a Superboy here, so it seems like 5-6-7 years of just Clark in Smallville is just way too long and stretched out.

  19. Jan 28, 2006 #79 of 111

    betts4 I am Spartacus!

    Dec 26, 2005
    A Galaxy...
    Smak, you said it.

    I have been wondering what they were going to do with grown up Clark and Lana for so long.
    But I think a big point may be missing. This is more like a stepping stone off to a new world for them. To new plot lines.

    Lana hooks up with Lex. Clark will have to be turned to Lois somehow. Maybe Chloe will die also and Lois will step in to take her job at the Daily Planet. Maybe this is how/why Clark comes to be a writer.
    Frankly, I am very happy to not see Lana and Clark together. Though if anyone has read 'man of steel, woman of tissue' by Larry Niven, you would be chuckling at the thought of them joined.

    This episode definately was a bit over predictable and there were moments to yawn about, but I think it is more a place to leap off and go from then anything. Should it have been the 100th ep? Could they have kept Jonathon alive and changed the plotline a bit? who knows. Heck, getting rid of that fargo sheriff was enough for me.
  20. Jan 28, 2006 #80 of 111

    Graymalkin Grumpy Poster

    Mar 20, 2001

    I thought Larry Niven's essay was "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex," but there seems to be a huge controversy over what his original title was. "Tissue" makes much more sense, but people insist he said "Kleenex." (If anybody can point to a definitive statement on the subject by Larry Niven himself, I'd appreciate it.)

    It's an issue that's never been resolved in the comics -- how does Lois manage to survive? -- and I don't see how they're going to resolve it here.

    And let's not even get into how Lois could possibly give birth to a Kryptonian-Terran hybrid... Oh, the heck with it, let's! Artificial insemination, with Supergirl as the surrogate mother. There! You happy now?

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