Smallville - 1/26 - Reckoning

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  1. Jan 27, 2006 #41 of 111
    busyba

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    I haven't seen these pics of which you speak, but I'm guessing that they probably filmed a scene where after Pa Kent drops dead, Clark takes him to Jor-El and there's some kind of "bring him back blah blah blah" scene, and the scene just didn't make the final cut.
     
  2. Jan 27, 2006 #42 of 111
    sotapoppy

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    Agent86 -- Very well said!
     
  3. Jan 27, 2006 #43 of 111
    sotapoppy

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    If Clark would have blamed Lex for Lana's death, why wouldn't he now blame him for Pa's death? Actually, I think Clark would have blamed himself for Lana's death, not Lex. Just like he probably blames himself for Pa's death, not Lex, Lana or Lionel.

    I like the story line even though I don't like Lana and did like Pa. I think this furthers Clark's development. Also, maybe we will see less of Lana soon and more of Lois.

    I agree with what yada said earlier about Chloe. Too bad she's probably on the hit list too.
     
  4. Jan 27, 2006 #44 of 111
    dr_mal

    dr_mal It's CWS time

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    What if Lois dies, and then Chloe takes her name as a pen name at the Planet?

    paging Bryanmc
     
  5. Jan 27, 2006 #45 of 111
    sotapoppy

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    That's okay with me, but that would mean "New Lois" knows Clark's secret, unless Ma awakes to find Bobby, I mean Pa, in the shower before Chloe ever knew the secret. ;)
     
  6. Jan 27, 2006 #46 of 111
    gchance

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    This may be dumb, but when Pa bit the dust, why did they sit there wailing? Why didn't Clark run him to the hospital and at least TRY to save his father?

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  7. Jan 27, 2006 #47 of 111
    Idearat

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    Even though Clark hit the reset button, he'll still remember that Lex caused Lana's death, heck he was inches away from causing it a second time. I don't think Clark will forget that.

    Several people have mentioned Cloe dying, but no one mentioned that she "died" before. We saw the explosion, was told she was dead. Since we didn't see blood many of us didn't believe it, but that's what we were told.
     
  8. Jan 27, 2006 #48 of 111
    jkindley

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    I so loved the first half, even though I knew it had to be a dream or reset moment. As many have said it would of really set off the lex/clark battle. Also all of that stupid tension between lana and clark would be over ( though I don't really know where that story could of gone, Hi Honey I'm home, How was work today saving the planet and all ...)

    P.S. Lex is a *****, he needs to grow a pair
     
  9. Jan 27, 2006 #49 of 111
    Langree

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    If I recall, and my memory could be fuzzy here, he did the exact same thing in one of the episodes of the Adventures of Superman in the 50's.
     
  10. Jan 27, 2006 #50 of 111
    TAsunder

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    This episode was awful. The writers and producers are so afraid to take real risks that they end up crippling themselves with outrageous plot contrivances and have to write in character stupidity in order to achieve their goals. When clark heard her scream in the car, she already knew his secret. Why didn't he zip there immediately? How convenient that there's just the one crystal mulligan in the whole fortress and clark has now wasted it on lana instead of considering that maybe it would be useful in the future when he's trying to save the world and robot destructo guy wipes out half of the planet.

    The Lois Final Destination moment was totally unnecessary and worthless. It did not need to exist.

    Clark's logic does not make any sense to me. His dad already paid the price for his resurrection, so why does he still hesitate to tell Lana his secret? It appears he believes she will die if she knows it, but what is that based on? I guess the only reasonable answer is the old fallback superheros loved ones are fated to die answer, which is overdone and really tiresome in Smallville. Chloe and Pete know his secret and they haven't bit the big one yet.

    The scene at the planet was absolutely ridiculous. I'm not a 4 year old so I don't need actors to overact loudly. Also, since clark has superhearing and supervision, the first two incidents of seeming psychic powers could easily be explained. They should have just cut them and left it as the chinese delivery person. And anyway, why does he NEED to prove things to chloe? Since when is she so skeptical?

    And I don't get the scene with johnathan and lionel at all. Was kent on steroids? He was ready to fight for no apparent reason even before seeing the photo. The whole thing was totally out of character.

    I'm glad at least some storyline progress was made, but they sure could have done it in a more reasonable manner.
     
  11. Jan 27, 2006 #51 of 111
    PJO1966

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    First off, I have to say that the entire funeral scene was beautifully shot, and was beautiful to watch in HD.

    I am extremely disappointed that they offed Jonathan. As soon as we knew there was a reset I knew it was going to be him. I'm going to miss seeing him every week. Lana could have died and that would have been OK with me, but I don't understand the amount of hate generated in here.
     
  12. Jan 27, 2006 #52 of 111
    Kamakzie

    Kamakzie Are you serious bro?

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    When Chloe was "dead" they even took Allison Mack out of the opening credits to throw fans off if I recall correctly.
     
  13. Jan 27, 2006 #53 of 111
    DPF

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    I keep thinking of the french Fortress scene (which I have not seen), and I just have a funny feeling that it's later footage and is somehow involved in a "return" of Jonathan Kent.

    I'm probably wrong, but it's just nagging at me. Now I hate to see Pa Kent go. I liked him. However, if for once in my life I'm right, I can't see a way to make that work and be even more shoddy than most of the plot devices used on this show.

    I guess we'll see.

    -DPF
     
  14. Jan 27, 2006 #54 of 111
    MassD

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    Clark knew that would be futile. He saved Lana... and this was the consequence. I mean, the futility of trying to stop fate must have been clear to him at that point. Once he saw his dad drop, he knew there was nothing that even he could do.

    After all, that's pretty much what Jor-El told him.
     
  15. Jan 27, 2006 #55 of 111
    MassD

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    It's probably a red herring... They figured that it wasn't necessary to have a scene where Jor-El has to explain, yet again, that the universe will always find a balance. So they cut it out. I wouldn't look too much into it.

    I think that just going from his death to the funeral did a better job of showing how Clark had no power to stop it.
     
  16. Jan 27, 2006 #56 of 111
    glumlord

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    Excellent points, this is exactly how I analyzed the story.

    His father said that the Trial of Faith always find a balance and it may not be something he liked.

    The balance was someone else died, which would of been lois and then lana and eventually fell on the father.

    Btw did anyone else see how Lionel was in barn, I thought both of them were dying. Something was definately happening to Lionel while Jonathon was walking dizzily. I know in the past it has been mentioned that Jor-El possibly manifests himself through Lionel at times.

    I thought the directing in this episode was great, the story was fun but pissed me off somewhat.
     
  17. Jan 27, 2006 #57 of 111
    Stormspace

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    Normally you are right, but since he was never sworn in and the elections aren't final until all votes are in... IF the election was called based on projections it's likely the next closest candidate would get the job since the winner is not eligiable. In this case the next winner would be Lex, since we didn't hear about anyone else running.

    Of course being Smallville the show could just as easily decide that a new election has to take place.
     
  18. Jan 27, 2006 #58 of 111
    jschuur

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    My biggest problem with the 'Someone you love will die' arc is that this whole nebulous notion of fate doesn't fit in with any of the other extra ordinary things and abilities we've seen on the show. Superman's powers, space ships, the Fortress, the Freaks of the Week and even time travel can be explained (albeit tenuously in many cases) either via technology or various biological/radioactive forces. But fate? Is there any remote, scientific basis for someone having to die, or are they invoking some kind of metaphysical aspect here?

    My understanding of the basis of the Superman universe has always been that he comes from an advanced civilization and under the Earths' sun, he has super powers. All the rest is explained along the lines of Arthur C. Clark's 'Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic'. Not having read the comics much, I don't know if there have been similar events like this in Superman's history.

    Or are we to understand that Jor-El was teaching Clark a lesson and was ultimately responsible for architecting both deaths? Then we're not talking about fate at all, but merely the school of hard knocks and how actions have consequences. Keep in mind Jor-El has been dead since Clark got to Earth when Krypton was destroyed. My understanding is that Clark has been talking to a simulacra all along.
     
  19. Jan 27, 2006 #59 of 111
    TAsunder

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    I don't think that's right, based on the only example I know of in recent history, that being Mel Carnahan. In that case, the governor appointed a replacement (his wife?), and Ashcroft lost, IIRC.
     
  20. Jan 27, 2006 #60 of 111
    Stormspace

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    I agree that there is a disconnect somewhere along the way. At some point it went from someone you love will have to die in your place, to you can't stop fate. In the first instance we were lead to believe that Jor'el would kill someone, while in this last ep that wasn't very clear.

    One thing we did see is that the Jor'el simulacra has been programmed with compassion. This isn't the first time he's cut Clark some slack and given him a second chance. Hardly soemthing he'd do if he was programmed to treat humans as cattle.

    Which brings me to the point where I think the brainiac entity had something to do with Jor'el's earlier statements.
     

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