Sling vs Stream - do the ads change your mind?

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  1. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    My 350 only has component inputs for hd. I didn't get the hdmi version since that would be blocked for much content.
    My max upload speed on FIOS is 92mbps. From the TiVo steam, streaming outside of the home looks noticeably better than from my Slingbox 350 on my nexus 7 and Tab S 10.5 tablets and galaxy s6 cell phone.
     
  2. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    Duh, thanks you did say you had a 350 which answers some of the questions already.

    I guess with the right conditions since the stream doesn't have to go through the digital to analog to digital IP stream conversion like the sling does, then it's potentially better. I've just never seen it when comparing my many versions of slingboxes and my built in streams in my plus/pros.

    Good to hear! :)
     
  3. moyekj

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    FYI, the Stream is still failing consistently for me streaming OOH from 5,000 miles away from home where Sling is working OK. However, I have at least been able to complete some downloads at basic quality which is better than last trip I tried it for, so perhaps on that front things have improved. It's nice to have full quick trick play functionality for a download vs having to use trick play via Sling.
     
  4. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    With a low bitrate the Slingbox will trounce the Stream.
     
  5. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    I have high bitrate for both and the Sling still trounces the Stream!
     
  6. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    The Stream has a max resolution of 720p/30, the Slingbox can do full 1080i or 1080p/30. So that could explain the quality difference. Depends on the device you're watching on whether that's noticeable or not.
     
  7. aaronwt

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    I only have three devices I use with it. And the lowest resolution one is 1920x1200 and a 7" screen. My cell phone screen and Tablet have a higher resolution screen. But as long I have have good bandwidth I seem to get a better picture from the stream. But when that bandwidth is low, the stream will look like crap compared to my Slingbox 350.
     
  8. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Yeah the Slingbox has much better adaptive streaming.
     
  9. moyekj

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    Well that didn't last. Today it's getting download failures and refuses to recognize TiVo and everything is failing. What an unreliable POS. Sling works fine but is not near as nice for trick play, but at least it's reliable.
     
  10. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Do you think it's the proxy causing your issues? Or do you think it's just the Stream hardware itself?
     
  11. moyekj

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    Could well be, because I've seen before where you wait until next day and things may start working again for no apparent reason. Until TiVo eliminates the proxy we won't know for sure.
     
  12. Dan203

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    If you disable javascript and load the system info page you can see options for using port forwarding instead. You can't actually set them, as the server wont accept them, but it looks like they have the option in place so I wonder why they don't just let us turn it on?
     
  13. moyekj

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    Tried again today and now it works again for downloads. Gave up on streaming as that was pausing over and over. Would like to know what causes it to stop working for a while.
     
  14. Dan203

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    I've had the streaming randomly stop working in home. If I change the iPad to use my other stream (two Roamio Pros) it will usually work. Or if I just wait like 5 minutes it will start working again. It's like the stream crashes and reboots on it's own sometimes.
     
  15. Series3Sub

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    Simply invoke the Pop-up Player and NO ADS--EVER--and size the seperate window however you want and pin it on top. The ad thing is much ado about nothing.
     
  16. Dan203

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    They said they're going to add pre-roll ads, which means you'll have to watch an ad in the video before you get to see what you're trying to play.
     
  17. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    I have experienced the same thing. It was pretty bad early on, better now, but it still happens from time to time.
     
  18. brewman

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    Sling (I have a 350 and an M1) both work more reliably for me OOH than streaming directly from a Roamio. I pretty much always stream to my tablet so no ads either.
     
  19. davezatz

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    More than said - I first experienced one in March. Others as far back as last November. Not sure if it's based on hardware model, inventory, still testing, or something else.

    Also, with the M2, you can no longer user the desktop player for anything other than setup. Which makes me wonder what Sling's browser intentions are since they want everything going thru there.
     
  20. Dan203

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    So how does it work? Does it buffer the real video in the background while the ad is playing and then start from the beginning of the buffer after the ad is done? Or does it Just not play/buffer anything until the ad is over?

    If it's the former then I could see this being a serious problem for TiVo users. Since you need a live signal to navigate the UI this ad could add a significant delay between what you're seeing and what's actually happening on the TiVo. If there isn't a way to scrub the buffer ahead to live then it may become impossible to navigate a TiVo using a Slingbox.

    Edit: Also who says the pre-roll is where they stop? They could force you to watch an ad for every 15 minutes of content you watch. Obviously the service agreement allows them to insert ads, so you're sort of at the mercy of their greed at this point. :thumbsdown:
     

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