SkipMode and QuickMode coming to Roamio

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by Bierboy, Nov 24, 2015.

  1. dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

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    Perhaps it simply skips to the end of the current or next commercial break, whichever applies. That would be a simple algorithm -- and a good one IMHO.
     
  2. MikeekiM

    MikeekiM Palindromer

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    That is absolutely how it works...and I am good with that model...

    I was just confused by the comment/claim that it is also a feature that allows you to skip to the next segment of the show... Supposedly if you are watching the Tonight Show (as an example), and they are doing a skit that you don't really enjoy, you can use the skip functionality to skip to the next segment of the show (even if there are no commercials between them)... I remember reading this somewhere... If I can find it, I'll provide a link...
     
  3. UCLABB

    UCLABB Well-Known Member

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    For me, I'd like a setting where it just skipped the commercial block WITHOUT me having to do anything. No message, no need to press D.
     
  4. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    I thought that segment skip was just to the next tag - the begin point of a commercial. So, if I am watching the tonight show and don't like the segment, I would press D and it would take me to the next commercial break, hit D again and it takes you to the next tag the end of the commercial break... Thus, the next segment!
     
  5. MikeekiM

    MikeekiM Palindromer

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    Yeah...it could be that I completely misinterpreted the marketing hype on this one... :)
     
  6. gigaguy

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    It's a 'Commercial skip' feature, has nothing to do with a show's content. They would need rooms full of people to watch every show to mark content of every segment of every TV show.
    Advertisers will and have fought vigorously against auto skip commercial features. That's why you have to push a button, but even that may get challenged by advertisers...
     
  7. ClearToLand

    ClearToLand Old !*#$% Tinkerer!

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    I just returned to TiVo with a Roamio Basic (after a decade with ReplayTV with TRUE Commercial Advance ;) ) so would you please explain how to do a 30-second skip? All I'm aware of is the button directly above the 'D' button - I push it 6 times and it takes me either all or most of the way through a commercial.

    Thanks!
     
  8. MikeekiM

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    I agree with you...and I get that...

    My only point was that I remember early on, that TiVo had some marketing videos about how Skip Mode works...and I swore that one of the things they claimed was that Skip Mode could be used within a program to skip from segment to segment...even if there were no commercials between them...

    I have been scouring YouTube and the internet to see if I could find that video propaganda... But I can't (not yet anyway)...

    If I find it, I'll post it... But for now, I am fine (and completely happy) with this being a feature that skips all commercials...period...
     
  9. ClearToLand

    ClearToLand Old !*#$% Tinkerer!

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    That's ReplayTV "Commercial Advance". It's triggered by a completely, or at least mostly, black frame between the show and the commercial(s). IIRC, folks on the ReplayTV forums used to report it as ~80% accurate; IMO it's lower now (I used ReplayTV until 09/24/15 Roamio delivery day). Some stations have eliminated the black frame so it misses those. And whenever someone with dark clothing walks in front of most of the camera lens it false triggers. But built-in ethernet, IVS, and Lifetime for $150 per 5040 from RadioShack back in 2004 tilted the table for me (until the "$300 Roamio Basic 4-tuners w/Lifetime Summer Sale" :) ).
     
  10. MikeekiM

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    http://www.cnet.com/videos/hidden-30-second-skip-feature-for-your-tivo/
     
  11. krkaufman

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    You're confusing "segment" with "scene." SkipMode skips between broadcast segments; it's not for DVD-like scene/chapter navigation.
     
  12. MikeekiM

    MikeekiM Palindromer

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    Actually, I am not arguing terminology or semantics here...

    Let me go on record to say that I love the implementation as it is today...with no changes... AND that I understand the manpower necessary to tag the skip locations to get to the next "segment".

    The only thing that I am saying is that I recall that I saw/heard/watched a claim, either by a TiVo representative, a TiVo marketing video, or maybe a mis-informed reporter talking about the new TiVo skip mode feature, that the feature not only allowed you to skip all the commercials, but that it also allowed you to skip to the next "scene" within a show (I'll use your suggested terminology here)...

    I really don't remember the terminology used when I first heard about this feature... But what I do remember is that it used an example of a late show episode (I think it was the Tonight Show, but it could have been Jimmy Falon)...and it showed that if you didn't want to watch the current "scene", you could skip to the next "scene".

    If I counted on my memory, I would say that I was 100% certain that I saw someone make this claim on a video segment that I watched (either something on YouTube, or on a television show or something)... But now that I have scoured the internet to look for this "claim", and I can't find it... I am starting to doubt my memory! :)

    Anyway... That's my story... :)
     
  13. MikeekiM

    MikeekiM Palindromer

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    On a different topic...

    I didn't realize that it was only the Roamio skip mode feature that was limited to Chicago and SF markets...

    Based on what I think I am reading (and with my above post, I am doubting myself a lot right now), the Bolt implements skip mode nationwide, but the Roamio is limited to 2 markets... Is that right?

    If it is true, I wonder what the rationale is... The data for commercial skip is available for the Bolt, right? Isn't that same data completely leverageable to the Roamio implementation?
     
  14. ClearToLand

    ClearToLand Old !*#$% Tinkerer!

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    Ah! So 30-second skip is the old S-P-S-30-S from my Series 1 days and 30-second shuttle is the newer Roamio (or at least something after my Series 1) default; both use the same 'Advance' button so it's an either/or scenario.

    I like the newer 'Shuttle' since sometimes I actually see a commercial that interests me (like what's on sale at the local grocery store this week). I also like the fact that multiple button presses are queued. On my ReplayTVs and Magnavox DVDRs you have to wait for one '30-second skip' to complete before pressing for another.
     
  15. MikeekiM

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    I surprisingly drew the same conclusion... Right now I am using the 30 second shuttle feature... Which kind of tells me that I am somewhat interested in commercials... The new commercial skip mode is counter to that... :)
     
  16. krkaufman

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    Yes, the button you're referring to is the 'Advance' button. What's being discussed are a couple different methods TiVo provides for advancing 30 seconds when the Advance button is pressed.

    Nowadays, the TiVos ship with the Advance button performing what many call a "30-second SLIP" (officially referred to as "30-second SCAN"), where you press the button and you'll see the show content flashing by as you're fast-forwarded 30 seconds. Several presses of the button are stacked, and you'll see all the content flash before your eyes as you're advanced the requested amount (based on the number of presses).

    However, there is also a hidden "30-second SKIP" option that can be enabled, which performs exactly the same as the 30-second SCAN feature in all ways, except... instead of fast-forward scanning through content, the playback position jumps nearly-instantly.

    [aname=30secondskip]To enable 30-second SKIP[/aname], you'd first need your TiVo device to be set to use the 30-second SCAN option ([jumpto="advancesetting"]see below[/jumpto]); and then you would need to enter the following remote button sequence during playback of a recording:
    SELECT PLAY SELECT 3 0 SELECT
    Note that with the introduction of QuickMode, the above sequence will likely toggle your QuickMode setting; adjust accordingly after verifying 30-second SKIP has been enabled.

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    [aname=advancesetting]For reference[/aname], the following details the menu path for setting your preferred ADVANCE/REPLAY button behavior, along with transcription of the respective functions' behavior from the on-screen instructions.

    Per the 'How to Program a Remote' TiVo support page, access the Remote Control Setup dialog via the path specific to your DVR & UI setting:
    BOLT Series UESs:
    From TiVo Central > Settings & Messages > Remote, CableCARD, & Devices > Remote Control Setup​
    Pre-BOLT:
    From TiVo Central > Settings & Messages* > Settings > Remote, CableCARD, & Devices > Remote Control Setup

    * NOTE: For pre-HD menus, start with "Messages & Settings."​


    Once at the Remote Control Setup screen, select "Part 4: ADVANCE and REPLAY buttons":
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    > Remote Control Setup
    > Part 4: ADVANCE and REPLAY buttons

    Choose your preferred behavior for ADVANCE and REPLAY.
    • Option: 'ADVANCE scans forward 30 seconds'
      ADVANCE function (during video playback):
      During PLAY: Scan forward 30 seconds
      During FFWD: Skip to next tick
      Press and hold: Go to end​
      REPLAY function (during video playback):
      During PLAY: Go back 8 seconds
      During FFWD: Skip to prior tick
      Press and hold: Go to beginning​
    • Option: 'ADVANCE skips to tick'
      ADVANCE function (during video playback):
      During PLAY: Go to end (Press again for beginning)
      During FFWD/REW: Skip to next/prior tick​
      REPLAY function (during video playback):
      Anytime: Go back 8 seconds​


    NOTE: You'll definitely want to select the 'ADVANCE scans forward 30 seconds' option if looking to enable 30-second SKIP, as enabling 30s-Skip with the latter 'ADVANCE skips to tick' option enabled results in the loss of the ability to quickly jump to the end/beginning of a program.
     
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  17. MikeekiM

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    SLIP! That's the word I was looking for! I used SHUTTLE because the word SLIP slipped my mind! :)

    Thanks...
     
  18. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    And it was that lack of reliability that pretty much kept me using the 30-second Advance button on Replays. ReplayTV's later (post-lawsuit) "Show|Nav" feature worked in nearly the same way as TiVo's new SkipMode feature, using the right/left arrow buttons to jump to the next/previous commercial marker, so I occasionally used that for shows that had reliable commercial markers -- but I mostly stuck with manual leaps.
     
  19. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Raconteur TCF Club

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    No one knows. Lots of guessing, but bottom line is TiVo hasn't said a word. We don't even know if/when any other markets will get it.

    Latest rumor is the new CEO has family in Chicago and SF.


    I made that up
     
  20. jrgtivo

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    I think I got an update to RC14 last night. I seem to have LOST quickmode. No skipmode was added. Very annoying.
     

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