Well, I guess that makes the decision for me. I debated picking up the refurb + AIP deal. I still love TiVo (launch day lifetime'd Roamio Plus), but over the last few months I've started thinking about whether it's time to move on. Other than Netflix, the apps on Roamio are too slow. And the fact that OTT shows can be severely delayed in getting indexed into TiVo's database is annoying for me. There's been two times in the last year where Hulu indexing was broken for weeks and/or months in a row. I've heard the Bolt OTT apps take about 5-7 seconds to load. I resisted buying a Bolt when it came out because of the All In Pricing -vs- Lifetime change, which made an upgrade less valuable to me. Yesterday, I went out and bought a Fire Stick 4K for $50. The main OTT apps take about 5-7 seconds to load on that, but unlike the Roamio and Bolt which pin Netflix into memory, they get purged from memory often. So, opening Netflix is actually slower on Fire Stick 4K than my Roamio. I love the concept of One Pass, the universal provider-agnostic "My Shows" list, and automatic commercial skip. I don't think there is another solution that offers any of that; certainly not the latter two. Apple TV has something kind of similar to "My Shows" with the TV app, but I don't think Netflix is integrated. Fire Stick has "Recent", but it's not the same as what TiVo does. A lot of my viewing these days is via OTT. I don't record anything that is available on Hulu. I'm looking forward to the TiVo Fire TV app. I may even sign up to beta test it - I've been a TiVo customer for over 10 years and have never beta tested anything. I'd love for TiVo to release new post-Bolt hardware based exclusively around OTT SVOD and "cable" services. I think I'd definitely stick with TiVo if they do that.