Simple features TiVo should have, but doesn't

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Dan203, Sep 29, 2011.

  1. Oct 1, 2011 #41 of 122
    innocentfreak

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    I swear the Series 1 and 2 had this. I know I was surprised when I picked up the TiVo HD and it didn't. I think this is one of the reasons I add all my season passes from their site now since they do offer default settings for season passes.
     
  2. Oct 1, 2011 #42 of 122
    innocentfreak

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    I agree here though I would even take it a step further. Since the Premiere in the HDUI has an episode guide, let me mark what episodes I have seen. Then on season passes give me an additional option to not record marked episodes. Also after watching an episode when you go to delete you would also be presented with a delete and mark so that TiVo would mark the episode after you watched and deleted it.

    If you have a Premiere, you need to look into KMTTG. While it is Java based so the UI isn't like the iPad app, it lets you do most of what you want now. I find it the best and easiest way to manage season passes since you can quickly move the shows with the arrow keys.

    Still I agree I would like to see TiVo Desktop 3.0 as I call it. Give me the iPad app combined with the current TiVo Desktop using the Premiere HDUI. Let me control TiVos or do anything I could do via the iPad app or the TiVo. You would have a My Shows page that listed TiVo recordings on your PC while also listing options to browse your TiVos so you could pull or push content to or from the PC.


    My personal list

    1. User Profiles...TiVo showed it off at the Premiere launch but still no word of it though supposedly it was a mock-up. This also opens up so many things you could do such as if two profiles are signed up to a show one profile could watch and delete, but that would only hide the episode from them. It wouldn't truly delete until the second profile would watch and delete. You could enable admin profiles so only certain profiles could delete. It would give you more parental controls since you could hide shows rather than basing it off a rating system. Etc Etc

    2. Universal Now Playing list/My Shows. Combine with user profiles you could filter so you only see the shows you want to see. Add in admin profiles you can also lock down who can delete remotely from a TiVo or the iPad app. This way you could block your kids or roommates from deleting your shows from their TiVo.

    3. Streaming. We know they are working on it and from what little I used it, it was very nice. Hopefully add in the TiVo Desktop 3.0 and Universal Now Playing List/My Shows and include PC transfers. This way you could stream also from the PC. Yes I know about streambaby but it would be nice to have it also.

    4. Soft padding as mentioned

    5. Conflict Resolution - I have really come to like how Media Center handles this. It lets you browse upcoming recordings and flags potential conflicts. You can then manually resolve this via two different options. The first one gives you a simple list of the conflicts at that time. You merely mark the series you want to record and you are able to mark as many shows as you have tuners. The second option presents you with an actual list of episodes and allows you to move them up and down until you get the priority you want. I believe when you do it this way it will also tweak your season pass priority order so the conflict doesn't come up again based on how you change the order.

    6. Future season passes and the ability to pause season passes.
    Much like Netflix's coming soon option, allow me to add shows that aren't in the guide data yet. Once they are in the guide data prompt me. This could even be limited to TiVo.com or TiVo Desktop 3.0, see above. I could also see this as a future wishlist option. If you create a wishlist for a series that isn't in the guide, when it shows up present me an option to convert to a season pass.

    As far as pausing season passes, I would love to be able to remove season passes for shows not currently airing, but again be prompted if they show back up in the guide. This way you could clear out old season passes without having to delete and re-create them every season. Again this could just be limited to TiVo Desktop or TiVo.com

    7. Communication - Finally related more to TiVo themselves. Open up. Give us changelogs. Be more forthcoming with your information. Poll us about design choices. Maybe even roll out some type of CE program like DirecTV offers where you are able to test for a weekend new builds just by forcing a download once you are enrolled. Allow access to IDKs and API so people like wmcbrine and moyekj can better develop their programs.
     
  3. Oct 1, 2011 #43 of 122
    lpwcomp

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    Um, that's pretty much the way FRO SPs work now, at least on all of my TiVos. Always has. It's not based on synopsis. That would be silly, since that is not available on a lot of shows. It's based on OAD.

    Check out this thread for example. Particularly note posts 100-106.
     
  4. Oct 1, 2011 #44 of 122
    tomhorsley

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    What in the blue blazes is a FRO SP?
     
  5. Oct 1, 2011 #45 of 122
    lpwcomp

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    First Run Only Season Pass.
     
  6. Oct 1, 2011 #46 of 122
    innocentfreak

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    That doesn't do what he is asking though. This only works on new episodes with an air date in the last 30 days.

    You can't use FRO SPs to record only single episodes of a show in syndication for example. I like to record shows like Storytellers and Unplugged. My options are either record new and repeats which will record the same episode over and over again after 30 days or new which will only record a brand new episode. What he is asking for is the ability to record an episode once even if the OAD is over 30 days.

    There is currently no way to record an old show with old episodes and only record those episodes once other than manually selecting each episode.
     
  7. Oct 1, 2011 #47 of 122
    Soapm

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    Creating a season pass should give you the option of recording the show on other channels... ie... You shouldn't have to create a season pass for every channel.
     
  8. Oct 1, 2011 #48 of 122
    lpwcomp

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    This is part of what he said:
    The TiVo doesn't use the "new episode" flag. I'm not sure they even get it. It's based on Original Air Date. FRO SPs work exactly the way he wants.

    The problem with a lot of syndicated or even some shows on channels like Comedy Central is that they don't provide enough information to enable the TiVo to determine which episodes are duplicates.

    So you want the TiVo to keep track of every episode of every show you've ever recorded?

    A first run & repeats SP is only going to record a particular episode once every 28 days, assuming it has enough information to make that determination.
     
  9. Oct 1, 2011 #49 of 122
    innocentfreak

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    He never says new episodes. He says episodes he hasn't seen. There is a difference For example I want to record Bones and see every episode I haven't seen without recording 6000 repeats. I have only seen 10 or so episodes of Bones. I have several shows I record that I only want to see certain episodes but my only option is to leave it on repeats and new and every month delete the repeats I recorded that I have already seen.

    In that case it can record the repeat. When it does have the guide data, which from my search is a majority of the time it would only record the episode once. I know some shows like the Daily Show have bad guide data on multiple airings, but the majority of the repeats out there not only have episode names, but episode and season numbers.

    Yes. I want to be able to easily go back and record a show I have never seen without having to dig through episodes that are repeated over and over.

    No disagreement here. This is how it has worked from the beginning. I am asking to have to ability to expand the 28 day rule to old series.

    I don't know if you aren't using a Premiere or if you aren't using the HDUI, but the Premiere now has an episode guide built in. The Premiere knows what season and episodes are coming up of specific shows.

    For example upcoming in Friends is, s04e13, s04e15, s04e07, s02e22 multiple times, s02e23 multiple times, s02e24 multiple times, s03e01, etc.

    I just picked Friends since it is heavily syndicated. TiVo has the info. I am just asking and I think he is also for TiVo to be smart and use this for what episodes have and haven't been recorded.
     
  10. Oct 1, 2011 #50 of 122
    tomhorsley

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    OK. I do use that, and if TiVo misses the very first airing for some reason, I have never once had it pick up a subsequent airing of the same episode as a replacement.

    I always have to manually schedule one of the subsequent airings to record. I've
    had to do it several times for Mythbusters (which fortunately airs about a gazillion
    times a week :).
     
  11. Oct 1, 2011 #51 of 122
    lpwcomp

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    John's...
    I suggest you read it again now that I have higlighted it for you.:)

    IOW, as I said, you want the TiVo to keep track of every episode of every series that you have ever recorded, or at least for the ones for which you have a Season Pass.

    The additional information in the "upcoming episodes' list is a function of the Premiere and the HD menus(which I am using). The exact same list is available on any TiVo. If using the HD menus on your Premiere, select an episode in "My Shows",arrow down to "More options" and select "View Upcoming Episodes". The appearance is different since it is HD, but the format is the same as other TiVos.(Actually, I could only confirm it on the THD. I can't get to the working TiVo 2 right now).

    That's my point. TiVo does not have the information. It doesn't keep track of everything you've ever recorded.
     
  12. Oct 1, 2011 #52 of 122
    lpwcomp

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    I'd have to know the exact circumstances to have any chance of knowing why it didn't pick up subsequent showings. If it happens again, look in the recording history and see if it gives you a reason for not recording.

    All I can say is it works for me and always has, which is why I organize my Season Passes so that shows that air multiple times have a lower priority than those that air only once.
     
  13. Oct 1, 2011 #53 of 122
    innocentfreak

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    I suggest you stop focusing on one word and read his whole comment.

    And as I said yes.

    And I would direct you to the title of the thread. The information is available to the TiVo. As I previously said as indicated by the thread title, Simple features TiVo should have, but doesn't, this is a feature I want.

    No one is saying or ever said TiVo keeps track of everything you've ever recorded. This has been something that some of us consider a simple feature TiVo should have, but doesn't.

    It probably goes back to what I have been saying all along. If you only set for new episodes and miss it during the 28 days it will not record a missed episode. As a result there is no option to have TiVo only record episodes you haven't seen or previously recorded.

    For example say you have Mythbusters set for new episodes. If you miss the premiere on 10/5 and also have conflicts during the times it reruns, which I currently show 4 additional times in the next 12 days, then it will never record assuming there are no other airings in the 28 days since the original air date.
     
  14. Oct 1, 2011 #54 of 122
    lpwcomp

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    I did read the whole comment. And in the portion I quoted, he was specifically talking about NEW episodes while you denied he ever used the word.

    You can't have it both ways. Either the information it needs to do this is currently available to the TiVo or it isn't.

    That's not what he said. He said it wouldn't pick up ANY subsequent showing.

    As for the title of the thread, the only thing "simple" about most of the features requested is the description. Most of them are far from simple to implement.
     
  15. Oct 1, 2011 #55 of 122
    innocentfreak

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    Not what I said.
     
  16. Oct 1, 2011 #56 of 122
    steve614

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    Do Wishlists not work for this?
    You go online and find the episode name and use that as a key word to make a wishlist.
    Granted, you would have to make a wishlist for every episode you missed...
    But seems like that would work.
     
  17. Oct 1, 2011 #57 of 122
    innocentfreak

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    They do, but like you said it would be a big pain especially when you consider multi season shows with 24 episodes a season.
     
  18. Oct 1, 2011 #58 of 122
    lrhorer

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    Yes, you do. Any time one accidentally causes the wrong button to be hit (often when not intentionally pressing any button at all), that annoying damned window pops up, and then it takes all sorts of searching and fiddling to get the proper screen back. I used to have a Hitachi that did this, and I have a Mitsubishi that does it now. The developers of both should have their cojones cut off with a dull knife. It is the most needless and annoying thing I have ever encountered in the video arena.

    The extra tuner also increases the cost of the unit.

    I do SP maintenance maybe once every two years, if that. Even if I did it more often, though, I pay attention to whatever I am doing. I don't give any consideration to any distractions and I certainly don't need any intentional distractions. If something is so boring that I woud be tempted to do something else while it is playing, then I don't watch it in the first place.

    If something is so boring that I would be tempted to FF through it, I don't watch it in the first place. The only time I use FF at all is those rare times when I watch something with a commercial in it, and then FF is in use for only a few seconds, or even more rarely when I want to go back in the story to look at something and then FF back to where I was.

    It does *NOT* double the number of tuners, essentially or otherwise. It simply slightly reduces the number of partly overlapping three-way conflicts. I'm not arguing against either #1 or #2, like I am the PIP crap, I simply pointed out #1 may not be possible due to patent conflicts, and that #2, far from being simple, would be tricky to implement effectively.
     
  19. Oct 1, 2011 #59 of 122
    lrhorer

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    Well, there you go. There is no way in hell Dish would not sue the ass off TiVo if they tried to implement it.
     
  20. Oct 1, 2011 #60 of 122
    lrhorer

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    Agreed. The same-channel padding is easy (but likely protected by patent), as are the suggestions I made, but few of the others are.
     

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