Simple features TiVo should have, but doesn't

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Dan203, Sep 29, 2011.

  1. Sep 30, 2011 #21 of 122
    innocentfreak

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    Many of my shows on TiVo and Media Center are off by a minute or more. I routinely lose the last minute or two of programming. I can't remember the last time I saw the previews for next week show. It may just be my local affiliates dropping the ball though USA is also bad about it since shows after WWE start late when WWE is live.

    On an episode of Tosh.0 he even made a joke about it where he was coming up with a new closing line but it didn't matter since TiVo cuts it off anyway.
     
  2. Sep 30, 2011 #22 of 122
    stark

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    I would like the Recording History list to have more statuses. Instead of "Will not record", I would like to see "Conflict" or "Duplicate".

    This would allow a quick review of future recordings to see if there is a conflict I might need to resolve, or it is just a duplicate that I can ignore. The only way to get this information now is to select every "will not record" to check the reason.
     
  3. Sep 30, 2011 #23 of 122
    astrohip

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    Based on some of the replies, few people understood what you were asking for here.

    Automatic passive padding, if no conflict. There can be NO reason you wouldn't want this. -ZERO- reason. And yes, it should even work when you record back-to-back shows on the same network. You will have the same minute on two recordings, but who cares.

    In addition to TiVos, I have a DirecTV HD DVR. It does this by default. And it's even smart enough to start the recording one minute in, so the front-end padding is not seen. If the broadcast started early, you use Rewind to go back into the padding; otherwise, you don't even realize it did it.

    I probably had the DirecTV DVR for several months before I even realized it was front-end padding.:)
     
  4. Sep 30, 2011 #24 of 122
    rainwater

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    It depends on what channels you record from. Major networks start on time, but many others don't. Like MTV or sometimes USA. MTV is the worst as they can run over 3 or 4 minutes or start 3 or 4 minutes early.
     
  5. Sep 30, 2011 #25 of 122
    WizarDru

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    It's a strategy intended, in theory, to keep you locked onto a particular channel. The theory being that if they run a couple of minutes late, you'll stay on that channel since other channels have already started their shows. Except when everyone does it, it just becomes annoying. It's also a strategy used to, again in theory to confound TiVos and DVRs, to encourage live viewing.

    It would definitely be nice if TiVo did more advanced padding handling. It would be nicer if channels actually broadcast stuff when they said they would.
     
  6. Sep 30, 2011 #26 of 122
    lpwcomp

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    I routinely miss the last 30-60 secs of FOX shows unless I have padded them. Of course, you may not consider FOX to be a major network.:). Also, some of the problems are the fault of the local affiliate.

    All of the features in the first post are nice. None of them is simple to implement.

    At least one of the DTV HD DVRs did the first one. I could be wrong, but I suspect they did it by linking the same block to two recordings. Otherwise, you have to support two additional disk write streams (4 on the new Elite).
     
  7. Sep 30, 2011 #27 of 122
    MeStinkBAD

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    Ummm... you'd end up with just one recording though. It would consist of two shows but you'd have to fast forward to the end of the first recording to get to the start of the second.

    And yes it's all digital data. Compressed digital data. And the thing is with compressed video, the first frame has to be what is known as an I frame or Key Frame. Basically it's a self contained image. Frames before and after that are P or progressive frames. These rely on the frames or images that came before it in order to construct an image. So you always have to start with an I frame.

    With analog TV the TiVo encoded the Video. So this wasn't an issue. But with digital TV, the encoding is done somewhere outside your home... and with sometimes as much as 5 to 10 seconds between I frames you may end up with a blank screen for the first few seconds of a show. Hence it's a lose-lose scenario.

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    EDIT Did I post this? Meh.... it's bogus. Ignore it.
     
  8. Sep 30, 2011 #28 of 122
    MeStinkBAD

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    That's Viacom... they have been "rotating" their schedules during the day time so shows don't start on the top or bottom of the hour. The TiVo's guide reflects this also. So it's still recorded...
     
  9. Sep 30, 2011 #29 of 122
    shwru980r

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    This would be great for recording NFL football. I have a wish list search with one hour of padding so I don't miss the end of a game that runs long, and every week I have to go to the "to do" list and remove the padding on the first game of the double header and then schedule the second game to record with the one hour padding.

    I think if you created a wish list search for movies and selected the movie to record in the wishlist search, the movie would appear in a movies folder.
     
  10. Sep 30, 2011 #30 of 122
    rainwater

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    That's news to me. I've never seen it reflected in the guide for the channels I watch.
     
  11. Sep 30, 2011 #31 of 122
    mattack

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    No, I have given MANY examples of major network shows that DO NOT use the correct time slots.. (technically they start "almost" on time.. but they definitely END after their allotted time, so you LOSE PROGRAMMING if you do not pad)

    Since you were so vehement, I can think of a reason -- uses more disk space, and in an edge case, could cause a show you recorded to be deleted.

    Yes, this is a feature I want, and would pay $$$$ for.. But you were saying there was no reason not to want it, so I had to give a reason.

    Especially with HD channels, every minute takes up a ton of disk space.
     
  12. Sep 30, 2011 #32 of 122
    MichaelK

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    Did you mean to agree or did you accidently find another reason why the original posters idea makes even more sense?

    Current method even if everything starts and ends per the guide Tivo misses potentially 10 seconds at start of second show while tuner looks for the needed frame.

    Proposed method TiVo just reuses the end of the first show and viola its all there.
     
  13. Sep 30, 2011 #33 of 122
    MichaelK

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    If you turn on the TV and see a show in the buffer and hit record tivo starts saving the buffer from the beginning of the chunk before the start time in the guide. When you playback TiVo does the same thing of starting playback from the scheduled start time but allowing you to rewind.

    So they're half way there. ;-)
     
  14. Sep 30, 2011 #34 of 122
    MichaelK

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    One would hope that when TiVo gave directv patent rights in exchange for taking years to get a new directivo on sale that they would have asked for rights to directvs DVD patents themselves

    Since directv owns replays stuff it then would have been covered. (If the earlier cross licensing with replaytv didn't already cover it)
     
  15. Oct 1, 2011 #35 of 122
    djwilso

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    I would like there to be a configuration that holds the defaults for newly created season passes, covering every option so that I don't need to manually set them for every new SP I want to create.
     
  16. Oct 1, 2011 #36 of 122
    Dan203

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    Umm... I'm a developer for VideoReDo, an MPEG-2/H.264 editing program, so I know pretty well how MPEG-2 encoding works. ;)

    I also know that the majority of broadcasts start a new GOP every 15-20 frames, so at 29.97fps that mean there is a new place to cut at least once per second. Meaning there is absolutely no technical reason TiVo couldn't copy the overlap between two shows on the same network between two "files". The one minute might be off by a 1/2 second or so, but I doubt anyone would notice.

    However they wouldn't even need to do that. They could just design their file system so that every GOP was designated as a new block. Then they could just give ownership of the overlapping blocks to both programs. When one program is deleted they could delete all the blocks that belong exclusively to it and just de-reference the blocks that are also owned by other recording. Then when the second recording was deleted it could delete the overlapping blocks because it would, at that point, be the sole owner of those blocks.

    In fact TiVo already does this to some extent in the live TV buffer where it continuously deletes just a few seconds at the start of the buffer as it adds new video to the end.

    Dan
     
  17. Oct 1, 2011 #37 of 122
    Dan203

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    Good one! :up: :up: :up:

    Dan
     
  18. Oct 1, 2011 #38 of 122
    tomhorsley

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    I want the ability to record episodes I haven't yet seen, while not recording the 6000 replays of the same show that channels like discovery have. I know there is a "new episode" flag which may or may not be set correctly by the provider of the schedule info, but that flag is set (if it is set at all) on only the 1st showing of the new episode. If I miss that due to a conflict or a cable outage, it won't automatically record one of the many subsequent showings.

    The feature I want would work like this: I'd tell it shows I want to watch and the TiVo would record the synposis of that episode from the guide along with the show itself. When the show comes on again, TiVo checks the synposis. If it is the same as one already recorded, it doesn't record that episode, if it is different, it does record that episode.

    This is infinitely more useful and reliable than the "new episode" flag, though it wouldn't work for some shows that always have the same synopsis, but if it was an option I could select, it would work for an awful lot of shows.
     
  19. Oct 1, 2011 #39 of 122
    tomhorsley

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    Here's one that would save many folks from apoplexy at the incompetence of cable companies:

    Supposedly, cable companies are now offering self installs for cable cards, as well as web sites where you can type in your cable card information.

    TiVo has an internet connection. TiVo can read all the serial numbers and wot-not off the cable card electronically.

    Why doesn't the TiVo box itself go directly to the cable company's web site for cable card installs and feed it the information?

    No possibility of typos, and self install now consists of nothing more than simply plugging in the cable card. (Of course, the cable companies are still incompetent enough to screw up their web sites so they don't work right, but if they happen to work, think of all the agony it saves :).
     
  20. Oct 1, 2011 #40 of 122
    tomhorsley

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    The TiVo will currently speak to the network in various limited ways. It can talk telnet on a special port where you can send it simulated remote button presses. It can talk confusing semi-proprietary protocols to an iPad.

    Why not make it talk plain old http so I could point any web browser on my local network at it and control it with a real keyboard on a high resolution display?

    Season passes I could type rather than hunting and pecking with the remote.

    Organize and delete old shows without suffering through a 30 second green circle for each individual operation.

    Heck, make the interface html5 and it could do anything the iPad app can do, look just as good, and not need a custom app for each platform you want to support, any platform with an html5 capable browser would work.

    Better yet - just keep going with html5. Make the native user inferface on the TiVo be a web browser and drop the flash garbage down the deepest, darkest, hole you can find.
     

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