Sick of Stuff that Doesn't work in Canada

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by ertyu, Jan 2, 2009.

  1. classicsat

    classicsat Astute User

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    Not directly. They only restrict what foreign channels can be carried (and they are open to suggestions to what can be carried, if it is within the interests of Canadian providers/channels/viewers), and how they can be integrated in packages.

    They don't care about content itself, there are censorship boards for that, and they are pretty liberal.

    That all said, the CRTC, at least under their current mandate, nor any other Canadian government agency, currently have no say in the state of US based online content providers providing their content to Canadians; it is purely a copyright issue brought on by the copyright holders, and by extension the respective services, in the US.

    TiVo is, I suppose "Hiding" access to those menus on what it thinks is Canadian units, to avoid support complaints.
     
  2. usnret

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    Who is stopping the broadcasts of Coronation Street and Emerdale (CBC) on Direct TV??
     
  3. reidjr

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    Lets not confuse tv series and movies vs channels.As of now on basic and premium we have alot more american series and movies then canadian for the most part.I think the likes of ctv etc want to even bring more american series in.The crtc is strict on what channels can come in maybe to strict.
     
  4. ertyu

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    This took a track way off to the side. I'm aware of copyright holders extreme preference for profit and so be it. I'm fine if they choose to exclude me as a customer as a result.

    I'm not fine with a system that doesn't allow me to register with my own valid address. One which constantly bombards me with advertising for products and services for which it full well knows I can't access. That provides me with functionality that is faulty. That fails to provide me functionality and services that I rightfully should have access to.
     
  5. bicker

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    Yeah, if I could not register with my own zip code, I'd take that as a very good hint that I should cancel my subscription with TiVo.
     
  6. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    here is the thing - people have been bugging TiVo for a long time to get TiVo in Canada. They had even gone so far as to hack series 1 to work with their own guide data.

    TiVo finally jumped through the hoops imposed by Canadian rules and regs to provide TiVo in Canada. The things you complain about are outside of TiVo Inc.'s control save for hiding more items that are of no use to you.
    Frankly, I think TiVo Inc. has wasted enough resources on jumping the hoops imposed by forces outside TiVo and would rather see TiVo resources put to better use myself.
     
  7. bicker

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    That's really an important point: There are so many things that TiVo needs to improve; they cannot do them all. Hiding things that could, instead, be ignored, should be at the bottom of their list.
     
  8. classicsat

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    The US channels are, by not purchasing the US rights to those programs and airing them.
     
  9. ertyu

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    I don't think there are many hoops at all, if any. All of these things I complain about are in TiVo's control.
     
  10. ertyu

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    It interesting to see how everyone's attitude is that of dismissal, along the lines of be happy you have TiVo -- you aren't important -- it can't be fixed.

    All lending weight to my issue of being treated as a second class customer.
     
  11. ZeoTiVo

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    so you are saying there are no Canadian rules and regs that differ on content? If TiVo let you register the TiVo in canada - would they not have to provide all the menus in French?
    Are you saying that TiVo can somehow convince content holders to let Amazon VOD not pay for a Canadian License for content but just serve it up.
    can TiVo convince Amazon that paying for a Canadian license is worth the money.

    I am sure TiVo would love to serve up the exact same TiVo for you in Canada and I doubt that just a few small hoops would stop them. This leads me to believe the hoops may indeed be bigger and more than a few.
     
  12. ertyu

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    The basic TiVo service is under very few if any regulations as far as I know -- Content regulation is separate. Additional features they have been adding have other hoops associated sure. As for the french requirement, its often mentioned, but I'm not sure it really exists.

    But this is beside the point, they brought the product to Canada, they sold it in Canada, they need to make it work properly.
     
  13. ZeoTiVo

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    ok so the major hoops are beside the point. So should TiVo just turn that stuff on and then get sued out of existence? What general things can TiVo do here within the realm of the possible?
     
  14. ertyu

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    I'm not asking for the stuff to be turned on. I'm asking that the stuff that they are willing and able to offer in Canada should work simply and correctly. And the stuff they are not willing or able to offer in Canada should not be displayed, indicated or offered in Canada...Or perhaps just gracefully fail.
     
  15. sieglinde

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    Can you get Netflix in Canada? (Boy that sounds like a can of worms to me.)
     
  16. ertyu

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    Netflix specifically, No. There are other companies which offer similar services that operate in Canada.
     
  17. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    you realize this conversation is just going around in circles then...
     
  18. dchamber

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    Ertyu, you barely beat me to this topic. I was quite surprised to see this thread at the top of this board as I arrived specifically to start one on this very same topic.

    I, like you, have been getting more and more frustrated as each new feature arrives (along with it's usual fanfare), only to find that it doesn't work. When I purchased this service at my local BestBuy a year ago, nowhere on the box did it tell me not to expect any of the features to work......and of course, Tivo continues to collect it's full monthly fee from me, which is by the way the exact same cost for the service that in the US where it is fully functioning.

    With that, plus the fact that there is no HD enabled box available for Canada (or even on the horizon), I'm thinking of trashing the service and giving the 'ol cable PVR box another kick at the can.

    By the way....was quite surprised myself to see some of the posts within this thread. A very sympathetic bunch it would appear.....plus the usual ignorance of our culture waaaayyy up here in Canada. The last time I checked, I wasn't living in old communist Russia or modern day Cuba. Better finish up here as I have to go feed the sled dogs and check on the roof of my igloo.
     
  19. Adam1115

    Adam1115 Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    I would think the OP has some valid points, that he should be able to enter his address on TiVo's website without making up one to get it to work, or that it should have links to menus that don't do anything.... Or have showcases that don't apply to him...
     
  20. 5thcrewman

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    You can't do that on Television TiVO
     

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