Sick of Stuff that Doesn't work in Canada

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by ertyu, Jan 2, 2009.

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    ertyu

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    I pay my TiVo dues just like everyone else, but yet I'm still a second class citizen with TiVo.

    Why does my address at tivo.com have to be Leo, Wyoming?
    There are no logos for Canadian stations.
    Why am I constantly shown showcases, ads and features that aren't available to me?
    Whats worse are simple showcases like "amazon.com Best of 2008" which just return "No Programs" when selected.
    Current annoying examples: Gold Star Sweepstakes, Order Dominos, Milk, Top 40 of 2008, amazon.com Best of 2008, Damages FX Record, Damages FX Download
    All of the showcase ads are not valid or relevant for Canada.
    The Video on Demand is limited to 2 selections: Browse free videos and Home Movies by One True Media. All other options aren't even presented.
    Rhapsody, Photobucket, Picasa all missing.
    Pretty much everything on the What's New page on tivo.com is not available to me.
    When swivel search, tivocast and guru guides came out it took months before they showed up.
    There is probably other features that I'm not even aware of because they just don't show up.

    It just sucks, I'm bombarded by stuff I can't get or use and I'm missing stuff I can.
     
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    bicker

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    All good arguments for avoiding TiVo in Canada.
     
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    dswallow

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    You used to not be able to get TiVo in Canada at all. Which would you prefer?
     
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    Enrique

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    All good arguments for avoiding Canada, more like.:p;)
     
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    ZeoTiVo

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    I am fairly certain TiVo would clearly prefer to enable all those features in Canada. I wonder why they take the pains to disable them.........
     
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    bicker

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    Hehe... well that's a good point, Enrique, and it indicates a more generic perspective, i.e., that folks should either avoid living in places where services they want, or service qualities they want, aren't available, or should learn to make the best of the services available, or service qualities available, where they live. The presumption that the world should be arrayed for one's own personal optimal living experience is the source of a lot of dissatisfaction and frustration.
     
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    Enrique

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    Tivo would like to, but most of the companies they deal with don't have the rights to sell or broadcast in Canada.
     
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    bicker

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    So Canadian TiVo fans would be well-served by taking this up with their representatives, getting them to relax barriers to entry to their marketplaces.
     
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    ZeoTiVo

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    and this is because of ........................
     
  10. Enrique

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    You sound like you know, please Pray tell.
     
  11. bicker

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    Well, Canada is not just "United States of America, North". There is a completely different ethic that prevails there. A lot of the more contentious discussions we have on these forums are specific to the United States' capitalistic perspective. Many of the principles at play in the US consumer marketplace simply don't hold sway in more socialistic countries, like Canada. For example, in that other thread we were chatting in this morning, the point there is the the priorities in the United States are (First) social justice (which is why equal access for the deaf is of paramount concern); (Second) capitalism (which is why what comes next is the right of a company to offer what it wishes to offer, how it wishes to offer it, and with whatever pricing it feels best capitalizes on how much consumers value their offerings); and then (Third, i.e., last ) consumerism (the desire to have consumers prevail upon business to provide what consumers want, how consumers want it, for how much consumers want to pay, beyond the normal mechanics of consumer demand). In Canada, I believe, there is more of a balance between capitalism and consumerism, rather than the former having a higher priority than the latter. Where in the United States, consumers are protected from intentional or neglectful malice on the part of businesses; in Canada, consumers actually have specific rights that provides consumers advantages. This deliberate sub-optimization of the ability of businesses to serve the interests of their owners is a major difference between Canada and the United States.
     
  12. Sapphire

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    Canada is a foreign country. Compared to others, you have a lot more access to US goods and services than a lot of other foreign countries. Be thankful.
     
  13. classicsat

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    The solution would be to talk to your representatives for a change to Copyright Law and agreements that either allows or obligates US online content providers to exlude Canadian viewers of their content.
     
  14. Sapphire

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    IIRC, doesn't the CRTC exclude US content because the Canadian Government wants to promote Canadian content or something like that?
     
  15. bicker

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    I don't think US copyright law (at least), explicitly, obligates geographic limitations be part of licenses granted. Rather, I suspect the issue is that negotiated licenses to provide content include such limitations as a conscious act on the part of the content owner to grant the license only for provision of content limited to specific geographic areas. The remedy is to have content owners not include such limitations in the licenses they grant. I suspect content owners prefer to sell rights to provide their content in each area separately, since they can better returns from their asset that way.
     
  16. fallingwater

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    Actually Canada (except for Quebec) is more like the US (with a few real differences) than idyllic views from across a border suggest. :rolleyes:

    And at the border nobody from either country has any rights at all in either country. :eek:

    Hey, besides getting a better mower, if ya really want law'n order, set up border crossings at every county line! Sig! (hiccup) :eek:
     
  17. bicker

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    This isn't a matter of idyllic views; it is a matter of how the laws regarding consumers and business are. Canada isn't Cuba, for sure, but it sure isn't the United States either.
     
  18. fallingwater

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    No, it's not but the differences are remarkably hard to spot (except for road and temperature signs) when on the street. Canada (except for Quebec) shoulda' chosen to drive on the left!
     
  19. ZeoTiVo

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    well the idea is to have the OP fill in the blkanks and come to the realization of the reason why TiVo limits features.

    It is the issues of complying with Canadian rules and regulations that are indeed different from US rules and regulations. Canada has chosen to promote its content providers by applying restrictions around outside content providers. I have no problem with that approach, being a US citizen and having no issues with Canadian content providers. More power to our friends to the North. :)
    but 3rd parties like Amazon have restrictions on them from content providers and they pass that restriction on to distributor partners like TiVo.
    This will not change until Canada changes it protectionist stance. TiVo has no power in itself to change this. Complaining to/about TiVo on this is the wrong approach.
     
  20. bicker

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    That really demonstrates the difference between the two countries: Canada is, as you say, placing limitations on the importing of content from other countries (or at least incentivizing using content made in Canada), while in the United States, there is substantial motivation for importing content from Canada (Flashpoint) and the UK (The Philanthropist).
     

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