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Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by mr.unnatural, Aug 11, 2016.
Ah, yeah... I watched exactly zero seconds of baseball.
Maybe if it had been about a lady golfer breaking into the Men's tour
2016-17 TV Season: Renewed and Canceled
I think the main problem with the show was, it depended on the viewers having a reasonably working knowledge of how baseball worked - not just the game, but behind the scenes as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the show had the "soap elements" to draw in the women and the "baseball elements" to draw in the men, but it backfired as the women got turned off by the baseball and the men by the soap.
I assume the main reason they didn't is, while Fox has a deal with Major League Baseball (in fact, during the All-Star Game, they had an interview with the character "in character" as if she really was going to play for the Padres) and the NFL (so maybe having it be about the first female NFL player, presumably a placekicker), ABC/ESPN is the NBA network.
I'm sure this is true. I liked the show from the aspect of trying to use it get more (and presumably female) fans to watch it. I'm always careful in saying that they used "romance" to try and draw in "female" fans, as I don't like to stereotype the whole "female viewers are into romance / love affair type shows" but, there is most likely some truth to that. But as said, they would have been better off going one way or the other. As a baseball fan, I liked the inner workings of a baseball team, but as someone who's not a fan of ABC type (Shonda Rhymes) shows, once they threw that into the mix, I found it too stereotypical "woman's" fare and I had less interest.
A woman as a pro baseball player was not believable; basketball would be ludicrous. Add the reputation basketball players have for victimizing women and I don't think it would get past the pitch room.
Male athletes in all sports have "victimized" women. It's not just basketball. Second, as you said, it's not any more unbelievable than a woman baseball player, and in fact, there IS a woman's basketball league. I get that the idea of either is pretty silly, but we at least know that there are professional women basketball players who could at least compete with the men (and I'd imagine most of them have played against men on the schoolyard.
That all said, this is not about any of that, it's about drawing in younger fans who are unfortunately more likely to be basketball fans than baseball fans (it's all about the cult of celebrity as much as anything. There's on equivalent in baseball to LeBron or Steph or any of the wellknown basketball players, a woman hoopster competing against men automatically enters that stratosphere).
Wow...I am a bit shocked that TAR is on that list... I don't keep up with the viewership numbers at all, but my perception was that it had a large following (not quite as large as my perception of the Survivor following, but still above the line to justify keeping it).
Many have predicted the current season would be its last because typically CBS orders a fall season and a spring season, but this year they only ordered one, and then when they originally scheduled it, it wasn't even going to start until May. It started a little earlier because another show tanked, but CBS hasn't shown much confidence in it, and the viewer numbers are less than half of what Survivor gets.
Some were hoping for a writers strike because that might increase the chances of shows like TAR being renewed, but with the strike averted, it's not looking good.
I'm bummed about Pitch! I don't care for baseball but I liked the show anyway.
I love baseball and I really liked Pitch.
Sad to see it go
I'm not sure TAR pulls in quite the numbers that it used to. I know in our household, my wife still watches it (although not sure she's watched any of this season yet), but I've dumped it, and it used to be a favorite show. From what I can tell, I watched the first 25 seasons, but by the end I was really starting to get turned off by the casting, and with season 26 being one of the real stunt casting seasons (blind dates) AND the seflie cam season, well, that ended my run.
This season has been surprisingly good. They didn't cast any duos. Just a whole bunch of individuals and then they picked their partners in the first episode. So in addition to the regular stresses of the race, you've also got the stresses of being paired with someone you don't know. But I think one of the reasons it's working is since the racers don't know their partners, they are more social with the rest of the racers rather than being insular within just their team. So that has created a bit of a different dynamic. Anyway, I suggest you watch if you once enjoyed the show, but obviously it's up to you.
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Yes, I agree with DevdogAZ... The "stranger twist" is more entertaining that I expected...
Can you give example(s) of what you mean, especially the "behind the scenes" part?
Maybe it's because I think baseball is the only one of the major sports where I know all of the (main) rules and the positions, but I can't think of anything complex about it/what was needed to be known beyond the basic rules. (I obviously know "get the ball in the hoop/goal/goal" for basketball/soccer/football, but beyond a couple of positions at most, I don't know all of the positions or the specific rules.)
I think it's not fair to judge women and men against each other in things that are very dependent on physical abilities. Men and women are just physiologically different. Women excel at many things (better in long-term close quarter situations, such as on submarines).
No doubt that the top women at any sport can beat the vast majority of men on the planet. But they can't compete against the top tier of men due to differences in their bodies. The top pro soccer women players struggle against top tier high school men's teams, and I'm betting the same is true for basketball.
I'd guess the interaction between a manager and the GM, how scouting works, what the many complications and considerations are when trading players...
Strange. I see new posts in this thread and expect them to be about shows that have been renewed or cancelled and instead it's an ongoing discussion of Pitch. Maybe there's a "PITCH" thread where I can find out about cancellations & renewals. Hmmmm.