Should I still be investing in TiVo ecosystem?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by JEisen, Oct 29, 2018.

  1. opsman

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    I too just jumped in with Tivo 3 weeks ago and thinking I should have done this a long time ago.

    Up till now its been my cable co DVR which was severely lacking in comparison. Funny thing is that it was Atlantic Broadband that got me thinking bout Tivo when they started offering the Arris Tivo box over the past few months.

    The issue with Atlantic is that they want another 17 bucks more than my current dvr making the rental approx 35 per month. They would not give me any discounts and there is no way I am paying 420 a year to line their pockets so I started searching and found this forum.

    Bought a Bolt and then started reading about Roamio OTA "enhancement". returned the Bolt (unopened) and picked up an OTA.

    I would hate to be just getting use to this system and have it go away but at 440 for an All In solution plus 2 bucks a month for the cable card I am willing to take the risk.
     
  2. tenthplanet

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    People shouldn't think as Tivo as ecocsystem, it's a DVR, one that doesn't force you to use streaming. Plugs into your TV, simple. Can do OTA or cable unlike so much of it's OTA only competition. Once it's set up it's an appliance that records TV for you. If you use a Bolt it's a small box that you can hide away because it's remote doesn't need line of sight. Streaming may change all of this someday but for now Tivo is still what DVR's are measured by.
     
  3. OrangeCrush

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    I think it counts as an ecosystem. It's more than just the main box, there are apps, minis, streaming all sorts of ways to use it beyond the first TV. And it can be a pretty significant upfront investment depending on how far you want to take it.

    I think where I land generally is, there are plenty of reasons to expand an existing TiVo setup, no question there, but whether it's worthwhile to jump in for the very first time or upgrade a Premiere or Roamio to a Bolt is more of an open question that's going to depend on what a particular person wants, and what their TV situation is going to be (OTA, QAM, IPTV, etc).
     
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  4. PSU_Sudzi

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    2020??? Wow...that’s like a lifetime of waiting for an app. TiVo should be able to do better and been working on something like this 5 years ago. They are so far behind the curve in many aspects this only makes me think it’s worse than I thought.
     
  5. krkaufman

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    Well that's probably because your TiVo is enabling you to skip commercials in your late night programming.
     
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  6. NashGuy

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    Whoops! I don't know why I typed 2020. No, Zatz is saying that the new TiVo app for Apple TV and Fire TV (and Roku?) is supposed to come out in the first half of next year, 2019. Thanks for pointing that out. I corrected my original post.
     
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  7. JoeKustra

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  8. krkaufman

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    One rumored limitation I've seen is that the resolution may be limited to 720p.

    A few recent Facebook comments from David Shoop (@tiv0_Shoop):

    Oct22: I need to double check the SoC, but the transcoded may be limited to 720p.

    Oct23: In reply to, "Will the clients support ad skip for tagged shows?" ... we know this is a high value ask. I honestly don’t know if this feature has been implemented. Now I’m curious... let me see what I can dig up and if I can talk about it

    Oct 22: There may be live TV streaming to these clients

    Oct23: I should also mention that streaming to a mini and streaming to a mobile device are similar net effect to the user but different under the hood. The mini receives a CBR stream at ~12mbps full resolution allowing smooth TiVo like trickplay whereas the mobile device receives a VBR stream at max of ~2mbps via the transcoder.

    Oct23: ... I cannot speak about specific launch dates, but I have personally worked on and tested direct streaming from a DVR to other clients using the transcoder which does not require a recording to be created first. It was true real time, albeit buffered 30seconds, VBR streaming. We implemented a 2hr are you there prompt to ensure the user was still watching. This allowed the DVR to release the tuner for recordings of someone just left the other client in consumption mode by accident. Not sure when this makes it main stream, but it’s in our coffers.

    Oct23: I disagree that it’s vastly different if you are watching live. I agree, slightly, about recordings given the trick-play capabilities on mobile/web. Although, IMHO that is more of a player limitation and practical implementation. You can scrub with your finger to any play point using HLS based playback or swipe FF/RW 30s/10s while You can FF/RW at multiple speeds and skip to tick on the Mini. I suppose we could, but have not chosen to, implement smooth trickplay on mobile. In that respect the experience is different between devices but does not break the paradigm of the consumption device.

    Oct23: We do have the ability to stream live direct without a recording but have yet to release it to the wild. Hopefully coming soon

    Oct23: ... we have improved this so that it is truly live and plays without bounds to the program. We do poke you every 2 hours to ensure someone is really watching so that it doesn’t endlessly tie up a tuner that could be recording.


     
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  9. NashGuy

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    Yes, Zatz mentioned 720p transcoding to the new app too. Sounds like using the upcoming app may not be quite as good in various ways as using an actual Mini. But then, if the app is free and the Mini costs $180, the app is probably good enough for a lot of folks, at least on less-used TVs throughout the house.
     
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  10. lafos

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    I've had TiVo since 2002, and this year bought two Bolts and a Mini. I've owned three Tivos built by Toshiba and one by Philips, so the fact that another company is going to build the hardware is not a concern. I'd add more Minis if I needed more TV setups. So I'm happy with their offerings, and as other posters said, TiVo's demise has been forecast for more than a decade.
     
  11. lafos

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    Yep, I use the app to feed the garage and basement workshops. Not really focusing on the video, so 720p is more than good enough.
     
  12. JoeKustra

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    This will be loved and hated:
    we have improved this so that it is truly live and plays without bounds to the program. We do poke you every 2 hours to ensure someone is really watching so that it doesn’t endlessly tie up a tuner that could be recording.
     
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  13. smark

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    I have a Bolt with lifetime and 4 Minis. I think there are at least 3-5 years of life on a cable system and then additionally as an OTA device to be supplemented with Netflix/Hulu. Of course who knows what Hulu will end up as after Disney complete's the Fox purchase. Our Harmony remotes make it easy to switch to a AppleTV/Roku if needed for additional programming.
     
  14. NashGuy

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    Did the Bolt ever get the new-style Hulu app, with the redesigned UI and the ability to add live TV, HBO, etc? Or is it still the original style Hulu app? If it still hasn't been updated to the new app (like every other device that Hulu supports), it really makes me wonder how much longer Hulu will continue to support their app at all on TiVo and allow it to run there. Guess it's a question of "How many subscribers will we lose if we pull the plug on TiVo vs. how much additional support cost do we incur by continuing to support this platform?"
     
  15. smark

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    Still the old interface. However, it's the old interface on older Roku devices as well so I think they would need to see how many subscribers in general are using devices that haven't been (or won't be) added to the new interface and losing those subs. I know that my parent's Roku 2 has the old interface.
     
  16. Imageek2

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    Asking people on a TiVo site if you should bail on TiVo is going to get a predictable set of responses :). However, I did jump off the TiVo train almost a year ago. I retired my Roamio OTA and went to an Apple TV, HDHomerun, and Channels DVR system. With my particular setup it solved some issues and gave me more flexibility. It was not as plug and play as TiVo but so far the system has been bulletproof.

    I still like to check in here to see what is happening because I was a TiVo customer since 2002.
     
  17. Mikeguy

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    I understand what you're saying, but many people here can be brutally honest, when needed.
     
  18. dmurphy

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    Patience is a virtue. See the comments quoted above from David Shoop, for just one example.

    Plenty of development going on, even though we may not be able to see it.
     
  19. Sparky1234

    Sparky1234 Well-Known Member

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    I always say TiVo is the company "you hate to love!!!"
     
  20. mschnebly

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    That's exactly what I did. I also added DTV Now because we have AT&T cell phones and it's only $25
     

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