Shameless - OAD 3/27 ** SPOILERS **

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  1. Gerryex

    Gerryex Well-Known Member

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    Hi ALL,

    What an "edgy" show!!! But a great show!!!

    I really doubted that Fiona would run away with "Steve" but I was surprised that she did pack and seemed heading that way. Of course when the train left for the airport I knew that she would still on the platform.

    What about the father of Lip's girlfriend. I had no idea he was going to kill himself. Although once I saw the concrete block I had a feeling he was going to do it but I was still surprised when he jumped into the hole in the ice with the blocked tied to his feet. Wow!!

    What a departure for William Macy! He usually plays a good guy or at worst a bumbling bad guy (Fargo). While I don't think he deserves an Emmy, I do think he did a great job with Frank!!!

    Can't wait until next season!

    Gerry
     
  2. SorenTodd

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    Yupp, this is the best thing I have ever seen on the Showtime network. So glad it got renewed.

    It was driving me crazy trying to remember where I saw that police detective before. A quick search though showed it was Jeremy Ratchford from Cold Case.
     
  3. nyny523

    nyny523 Oy

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    Awesome show - can't believe we have to wait until 2012 for more!!!
     
  4. balboa dave

    balboa dave well rounded

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    Then you haven't seen Edmond, written by David Mamet, and directed by Stuart Gordon. It's a very dark journey.
     
  5. Agatha Mystery

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    I didn't expect Lip's girlfriend's dad to kill himself. I thought that he was readying the ice to drop Frank in. When he tied it to his ankles, I was surprised. That man was disturbed anyway - anyone who has that many clowns in his life has problems.

    I'm glad her mom is starting to get out of the house. I don't understand her attachment to Frank, though. It seems like she feels useful when she's taking care of someone.

    I was surprised when Frank walked back under the stream of urine, saying "that's fair." It was almost a true 'dad' moment for him, owning up to his mistakes, taking his punishment instead of trying to skate.

    I never thought Fiona would leave. I wonder about her friend, though, kissing her. She seems to want to have a bit 'more' of a relationship with Fiona. Veronica is visibly jealous of their relationship, so it will be interesting to see how things change between the 2 of them next season.

    Speaking of next season, I wonder if Steve will be coming back. I wonder if Tony is moving in next door and what Fiona will think of that. I wonder when Fiona will figure out that Steve is Jimmy.

    Tune in next time, on Days of Our Lives.......sorry. Couldn't help it.
     
  6. Rob Helmerichs

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    Have you forgotten about her sexual proclivities?

    I think she just feels lucky to have somebody who will, er, submit. :D
     
  7. john4200

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    I wouldn't go that far ("owning up to his mistakes"). Just a few seconds before that, Frank was claiming to be a victim. I think Frank believes he is a victim. Stepping into the urine and saying "that's fair" is probably not a big deal to him, just some temporary guilty feelings that will be gone in the morning.
     
  8. Rob Helmerichs

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    And maybe he was just feeling cold when the warmth of the urine wore off, so he stepped back in to take the chill off. :D
     
  9. BobB

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    Nor did I, but I knew he'd be dead by the end of the episode - after threatening to kill Frank (and obviously being serious about it) it was clear to me the writers would have to get rid of him. In fact, as soon as he picked up his tools and headed onto the ice, I paused the show and said to my wife, "He's going to die now." I expected it to be an accident, but suicide works too.

    In retrospect the scene where he walked into that room at his office and saw all the guys hooting at his daughter's video should have prepared us for it.
     
  10. Agatha Mystery

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    To some extent, he was a victim. I don't completely disagree with him. He's a drunk, and easily taken advantage of. She has been one to sleep with multiple people, and it was probably quite easy to get him to do what she wanted. He tried to fix things, and do the right thing by going to her and telling her that it needed to stop. He went to apologize to Lip (once Lip found out). His seemed rather earnest in his apology to Lip, versus his rationalizing when he's with his buddies.

    Yeah, his guilty feelings probably will be gone in the morning. That's the nature of alcoholics. At least this time, he HAD guilty feelings. He's never really shown them before (except when Fiona takes him to task).
    I enjoyed the steam. :)

    Yeah, you're right. I had half expected him to get into trouble for looking at porn at the office, not have his office mates share it around. When he was going out to the ice shack, I thought it was strange that he was going into it in his uniform.
    True. Still, she liked Frank better when he was drunk, than when he was sober. She likes taking care of him.
     
  11. aadam101

    aadam101 Tell me a joke

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    Karen's dads suicide was a surprise to me too. Are there going to be any consequences for Frank or anyone else distributing the sex video? Seems like a pretty serious crime.

    I hope Steve is able to come back. I really like the triangle between him, Fiona and the cop and would like to see some more of that. How would the cop explain his sudden ownership of the house next door anyway?

    I wanted to see more of the foster kid. I enjoy all of scenes. She is such a fish out of water among these people.

    This is definitely my favorite new show. I can't wait until it comes back next year!
     
  12. pjenkins

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    that seemed to be explained pretty easily, Steve paid him off to get Lip/brother out of jail. No one except his partner knows about the Bears tickets/etc...

    same here, really came to love this show. great 1st season.
     
  13. Frylock

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    Yeah, but if Fiona finds out that Steve is the one who made it right, that is going to really make her feel more fore Steve, and not the cop. And if she finds out the cop was hunting down Steve, and caught her brothers, that also will not help.

    I did love when Steve said he paid for the house in cash, and the cop says "Wait, how many cars have you stolen?!?"
     
  14. Jeeters

    Jeeters Registered Snoozer

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    But then he blew it at the end by giving her cash, then putting his finger to his lips in a "shhh" gesture as he leaves. Notice how she then stared at cash in her hand, then stared at the "whore" tattoo on her arm. In the end, his whole attempt at "fixing things" just confirmed to her that he's seeing her as not unlike a whore, just like her dad did.
     
  15. jamesbobo

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    After I watched the first episode I was on the fence about keeping the season pass. I'm glad I did as the show improved and became something I looked forward to seeing each week.
     
  16. Agatha Mystery

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    Yeah, but that still doesn't negate him being a partial victim. He's just an idiot. He manages to buy or scheme his way out of multiple situations (like the time he pretended to be dead), so it makes sense that he'd try to give her money.
     
  17. john4200

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    That's baloney. Frank is not a victim. He chose to drink, so he cannot claim that anything he does when drunk is not his responsibility. If you get into an accident while driving drunk, are you going to claim no responsibility for killing the family in the other car? "I'm a victim, the alcohol and car companies took advantage of me!"
     
  18. WhiskeyTango

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    Take a deep breath. It's just a TV show.
     
  19. Agatha Mystery

    Agatha Mystery Well-Known Member

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    I never said that he isn't responsible for his actions. I said to some extent, that he is a victim. If women can be drunk, and can claim rape due to sex while intoxicated (i.e. cannot make informed decisions while under the influence), you can say the same thing about Frank. That girl climbed on Frank, and his parts were in working order. It could even be conceived as rape since he could not make an informed choice. Once he sobered up a bit, he felt remorse, and tried to make it better/fix it.

    Never do I apologize for alcoholics. There is one in my family who disgusts me (and both his parents - my grandparents - were alcoholics as well before their deaths).

    Honestly, drinking like that is incredibly stupid, and that is his choice. Driving while drunk is a bad choice. I think it's very strange that you automatically assume that I drive drunk and am going to kill a family. But in your odd scenario, if I choose to get behind the wheel, while drunk, I have made a choice that I am not fully capable of making. However, that doesn't negate the fact that I have killed someone, so it doesn't make a difference.

    Sheesh. Like WhiskeyTango said, it's just a TV show.
     
  20. john4200

    john4200 Well-Known Member

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    It is rather odd that people seem to think I do not realize that Shameless is a television show. This is, after all, a forum to discuss television shows.

    Apparently we have different ideas of what constitutes a victim. In my view, if someone is not responsible for something bad happening to them, then they are a victim. But Frank IS responsible. If he had not chosen to drink, he certainly would have had the physical strength to keep a petite girl from bouncing on him. And if he could have stopped her, but did not, well, that is still his responsibility.

    I did not mean to accuse you of driving drunk. That was meant as a general you. I suppose it would have been clearer if I had written "If Frank drove drunk and killed a family..." but I did not since I don't think we have ever seen Frank drive, so I tried to make the question more general, and apparently failed in my phrasing.

    As for your answer to the question, someone who drives drunk may not be making a well-considered choice to drive once they are drunk, but they DID make the choice to drink. If someone chooses to drink, then they are responsible for any choices that they make while drunk. They are not a victim.

    As for a woman who consents to sex while intoxicated later calling rape, whatever the law considers that, I do not think the person who had sex with her has done anything wrong. It is the woman's responsibility. If she thinks there is any possibility of her consenting to something that she would later regret if intoxicated, then she should avoid intoxication. If she chooses to drink, then anything she does while drunk is her repsonsibility, and she cannot rightfully claim to be a victim.
     

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