Setting Up Moca LAN with BOLT (OTA)

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  1. John Nokomis

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    I think this is a 75-ohm terminator
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  2. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    I don't know what that is. It may be a terminator, but for capping a Male F connector, rather than female.
     
  3. John Nokomis

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    It seems you'd benefit from taking a slower, step-by-step, systematic approach. You're trying to change too many things at once and just throwing up your hands when a Mini can't connect. I'd begun jotting down an outline for such an approach but don't see the point with the rapid fallback to just sticking w/ FiOS.

    If you want to get the Comcast LAN working, including with MoCA, post back; otherwise, I'll assume you'll be sticking with the Roamio/Mini setup continuing to operate on the FiOS LAN -- whether tuning CableCARD or OTA.

    Happy watching...
     
  6. krkaufman

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    FYI... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01C4SG4GE

    "Belden PPC POEGB-1GCW Ground Block with Integrated MoCA PoE Filter"

    You can verify by checking the component for a part number.
     
  7. John Nokomis

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    Update. I just don't want to elaborate on the additional non-sense other than I am still with Frontier with i's working actiontec g1100 functioning. The Comcast line is unattached but soon to be stopped as I'll call in for 30 day satisfaction guarantee.

    and boy I would like to update these simple things but not enough productivity behind that. Even things that I have offered makes my security bells go off as in providing details in this forum and in general over the internet.

    I'm not going to return that equipment. After getting back in town and fixing issues probably related to the ONT, the network is working fine. i know you want details and to help. thank you. that's it for. 2.0 to 2.5 to needs analyses and future applications.

    let me put the first thing that i want to do. replace the fios gateway with the archer20. the comcast folks were surprised that anyway has their own Moca network.
     
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  8. John Nokomis

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    it must of been in the 70's and early 80's at the Jersey shore on the beach. My visiting longshoreman uncle mentioned the communists wanted to sow discontent amongst the American people in general and would, at the time, leave a broken down car on the GW bridge in heavy traffic times. Yeah, it would piss a lot of people off. and maybe it did. tactics. Today, tactics long. I was skeptical them but amused, now more understanding- never sure.

    I loved the Uncle's kawasaki 500 and his arrival for the week. But today, it adds value; somehow in this tivo-system love, wan, lan, speed, dependency. I gotta go.
     
  9. krkaufman

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    It really is a relatively simple thing to get the Comcast setup working; it just takes a stepped process when the all-at-once fails.

    Short of describing that stepped approach...

    With the benefit of the built-in "PoE" MoCA filter in the ground block out in the Xfinity junction box, you probably could have had success with the following slightly tweaked setup, moving your spare "PoE" MoCA filter to the input of the modem, to protect the Netgear CM1000 DOCSIS 3.1 modem from MoCA signals (which can be problematic, as mentioned above).

    Adjusted 3-way splitter connections in Bedroom 1 ::
    • IN) Comcast feed (wall outlet direct to splitter input)
    • 1) [MoCA filter] ... modem (to shield modem from MoCA signals)
    • 2) MoCA adapter[IN]
    • 3) [coax to house]*
    Also in Bedroom 1 ::
    1. MoCA adapter[OUT] port should be capped with a 75-ohm terminator when unused.
    2. Modem connected via Ethernet to WAN port of Archer C20
    3. MoCA adapter connected via Ethernet to LAN port on Archer C20
    4. Roamio connected via Ethernet to LAN port on Archer C20
    5. Antenna coax-connected to Roamio coax port
    * A good test of this setup that leaves your existing FiOS LAN and devices alone would be possible if you had a second unused MoCA adapter that you could temporarily connect to port #3 of the Bedroom 1 3-way splitter (rather than connecting that output to the rest of the house). This way, you could verify the MoCA connectivity between the two adapters, and that the MoCA network is not affecting the modem's stability. If you could afford the outage in the Office, you could temporarily move just the WCB3000N to Bedroom 1 for the temporary splitter port#3 connection.


    Or not. Good luck, either way. Replacing the G1100 with the Archer C20 should prove a similar amount of fun.
     
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  10. krkaufman

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    Of course, the first thing to do, really, would be to direct-connect the CM1000 modem to the Comcast feed coming from the wall (no splitters or filter between the modem and wall), and review the modem's stats, as mentioned back on the first page of the thread:

    More detailed...
    Related threads:
     
  11. John Nokomis

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    ok, after Frontier's ONT had a loose wire (and out of complete service for 48 hours) and after all the posts above, I was back to original set-up. Today, one last thought was just plug the new router in and connect the ethernet going into the G1100 and, see if I get streaming and internet. It seemed logical but the guy from frontier last week said it might need provisioning. it certainly is fast enough. well, I tried and it went to a red globe light alas, no internet going through. I reconnected the g1100 and need to find a shipping box. But why wouldn't it receive signal when g1100 did?
     
  12. krkaufman

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    Did you contact Frontier when you tried substituting your router in place of the G1100, the "provisioning" process mentioned by the tech?
     
  13. John Nokomis

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    No, I did not. After reading your post, I decided that I'll try one more time. I have a bit of a window yet to return. I do not have full access to the room where the tivo, the gateway, the new router as that room is rented out. Would love to move the entire set up later and then I could reach all of the connected room individually though the splitters in the attic. Stay tuned, I'll call Frontier and ask them to provision.. thank you.

    Happy Fourth. No communists abandoning cars on the GW as in the 70's, as I was told. I guess it depends on the particular communists and what they are trying to achieve.
     
  14. krkaufman

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    Happy Fourth, but leave the politics to another forum, please.
     
  15. John Nokomis

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    Ok, update to this ongoing simple thing. I called frontier to have have them 'provision" the TP-Link but they don't d o that and the their tech who mentioned that was incorrect. I said,"Well it appears unless I use your gateway she referred to it as the Greenwave(g1100) then I won't be able to have internet and that isn't possible". I then called TP-Link who has me unplug the wan port on the g100 and putin the lan of the tp-link, still again, no luck. Then, we checked the G1100 by connecting to a open lan port to a laptop ethernet and could not get internet on that either. Still getting internet on the desktop in the other bedroom through the moca network. Called Frontier back and told them what TP-link said- I am not getting internet through the POE ethernet (at least with all other devices other than the g1100). We also checked the ethernet port on the laptop to the bridge (wcb3000n) on the moca network and it worked. Frontier techs on the way to the house on Friday. Nearing the end of return period. ;)
     
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    Frontier tech got the TP-Link Archer 20 AC4000 to receive signal. It's only working wirelessly throughout the house and ethernet wired to the tivo roamio DVR. The DVR is also connected directly to the OTA antenna. However, the TIVO is not communicating with the mini's and bridge and desktop. The ota signal is also not being read by the mini's and thus the moca network is not operating. I tried with the moca adapter connecting to the lan port of the router and the coax line.(the same coaxthat fed the moca lan when the Frontier gateway was attached.)

    I will now run a cat7 directly from router to the bedroom with the pc, also splitting that line into 5 gig ethernet switch and maybe running the entire house on cat7. But that leaves with a non-communicating tivo dvr for the ota. I think I still want to run the cat 7 for it bypasses the tivo. But what is needed to get that moca up and going again? moca 2.0 adapter?

    fwiw; it seems frontier wants theie routers in place and will make it most bothersome to try and remove their "leased" router. such as unplugging for 24 hours.

    also, I'm using firetv adapters to get any tv at this point
     
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  17. krkaufman

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    The G1100 was your main Ethernet/MoCA bridge, effectively your MoCA "access point," so it would be expected that your MoCA "clients" wouldn't be able to connect ... at least until you replace the lost MoCA bridge functionality.

    As you surmised, you'd need a MoCA adapter at your router location, connected to a LAN port on the Archer C20 and with its coax port connected to your shared coax plant. From how you'd previously described your setup, I'd think the MoCA adapter's "Network"/"IN" port would need to be connected to the coax line connecting to the rest of your house, rather than the coax line going back to the ONT.

    And once you have things connected as you'd expect them to work, it would be worthwhile doing a full power reset of your gear, to eliminate any confusion.
     
  18. krkaufman

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    The procedures I've seen stress the need to have the original FiOS router release its DHCP lease prior to disconnection.
     
  19. John Nokomis

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    they released it and I'm told they have a new system for the visiting tech people being rolled out which allows them to unlease it. He did get it released and the new one's working.

    As I'm going to run cat 7 lines in the attic and attach to one gig splitters to extenders to pc and printer and whatever else, maybe i should change the tivo to ethernet config, right? but what about the ota coax connection to tivo dvr and being able to have that operate, why do the mini's not see the dvr? I didn't see your first post reply until after i wrote that. I did connect the moca adapter to the lan on the archer and the coax that leads to the rest of the house. "tivo cannot be found" maybe need better adapter??
     
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    Ethernet connected to router lan and this device.

    Coax "out" connected to coax that feeds the rest of the house 15629633592517055122437243774181.jpg

    the ecb2500c
     

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