Setting up a MoCA Network for Tivo

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  1. Feb 6, 2016 #1501 of 1853
    fcfc2

    fcfc2 Well-Known Member

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    Hi,
    I am glad that your Electroline amp is working fine for your MoCA setup, but I could find no definitive statement or specification which indicates it also includes a MoCA filter as say the PCT brand of MoCA rated amps clearly do. You might want to test by temporarily placing a MoCA adapter before the input and seeing if it lights up and receives any MoCA signals.
    The only other thing is that the pricing is high relative to the blue label PPC EVO1-9-U/U or EVO1-5 U/U units readily available on Ebay for a third of the price. These do require a filter to be installed though.
     
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    BRiT wtfdotcom Active Member

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    The funny thing is, those blue label PPC units do not list or show anything over 1002MHz in their specsheets or on the unit themselves at all, nor do they mention Moca. Its good to know they work though.

    When I picked up the moca friendly amplifier it was close to 18 months ago and the other PCT unit i was looking to get was always out of stock. It has increased in price since I got it, so I'm surprised its as pricey as it is.
     
  3. Feb 6, 2016 #1503 of 1853
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    Hi,
    Actually the boxed units have a printed insert with instructions on connections and use that has a fairly sizable "MoCA Alliance" label and wording indicating it is MoCA compatible.
    If you fast forward to about 50 seconds on this youtube video you can easily see the label and wording.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTyQZoSE-_Y
     
  4. RadViper

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    I just posted a couple weeks back questioning the cable company and what they were telling my parents. The cable company is requiring the use of their moca capable modem. They also charge $10 a month to rent a Tivo Mini. So I bought a Tivo Mini for them on Amazon instead.
    I'm having trouble getting the mini to connect to the moca network. Moca appears to be setup on the T6 downstairs, but when I go to set up the mini, I get a moca network error. I'm not using an encryption key, and can't figure out why it's not connecting.
    The cable comes into the house and goes into a splitter, then to the modem and the T6. The Mini is connected right to the cable coming out of the wall upstairs.
    Please help!
    Thanks
     
  5. lessd

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    If the cable co modem does use MoCA encryption to keep people from using their own Mini, your screwed, I know only one person on RCN that uses TiVo supplied by RCN and the Mini is also supplied by RCN, never tried to see if you could use your own as the Mini must be in the same account as the TiVo and I don't know how one could do that with an cable co.s TiVo.
     
  6. RadViper

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    Moca encryption appears to be turned off on the settings of the T6. Unless they do something in the background to prevent it. Is there something else I can check?
     
  7. fcfc2

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    Hi,
    I have seen several posts in the past, all with folks trying to use their retail Tivo minis trying to get them to work with the ISP rented Tivos....they are not compatible, probably an account issue. They want you to "rent" one of theirs, not allow you to buy your own and use with their DVR's. It would be similar to trying to use your retail mini on a neighbors Tivo system without transferring it to the neighbors account.
     
  8. lessd

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    Your correct on the account part, but RadViper can't even connect to the cable co.s MoCA with his retail mini, why ? I though it could be built in encryption in the cable co.s modem that puts out the MoCA signal, don't know how one could tell that as I have never used MoCA with encryption.
     
  9. fcfc2

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    Hi less,
    I have no idea exactly what RNC does with their version of the Tivos, but one other reason that a new mini might not connect to the network/internet via MoCA is that the mini might not be set to "auto" for the MoCA channel, in addition to all of the other splitter, coax, amplifier, issues which would block the connection.
    A check of the channel setting on the mini to insure it is set to "auto" might be a test, but it is entirely possible that RNC might use encryption or some other account related mechanism, which would block the retail mini from the network, but it is a fruitless task, as it will still never be usable on the RNC Tivo DVR. If one has a MoCA adapter which uses "auto" as a default, simply connecting that to a known good coax location would be a good test to determine if encryption is used for certain.
     
  10. rapper58

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    Wondering if anyone has any suggestions.

    I have a MoCA network created by my Tivo Roamio Plus connected via ethernet to my primary router. I also have 4 Tivo Minis connected to the MoCA network via coax. Everything works great.

    I am trying to connect an Actiontec WCB3000N wireless range extender to this network by connecting it to a coax jack. When this new device powers up, the "Coax" light comes on and I can tell the primary router has leased it an ip address.

    However, the Actiontec will not make a connection to the Internet. Also, it seems to actually force the other 4 Minis off the MoCA network. To get the Minis back online, I need to power off the Actiontec and then reboot the Roamio.

    Maybe what I'm trying to do just won't work, but before I return the Actiontec to the retailer, I thought I would check to see if anyone has any ideas. I noted that the configuration page of the Actiontec has a default MoCA encryption key that it doesn't seem to want to relinquish, and the Tivo MoCA network has no encryption key by default. Could that be the problem, or at least one of the problems?

    Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
     
  11. fcfc2

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    Hi,
    You don't mention if you have the Actiontec or Verizon branded version, but I believe on both, you can login to the device and see if you can find the settings. I believe you may be able to modify the settings to either change to or from "auto" or possibly something to do with the MoCA settings separately to work around your problem.
    I will try to dig mine out if you can't find anything on yours. Good luck.
     
  12. rapper58

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    Thanks. My equipment is Actiontec, not Verizon. I can login and change the settings on the device, but frankly I haven't figured out what settings to change. All I know is that the new Actiontect wireless extender isn't playing nice with my Tivo-created MoCA.

    I wonder if I need to purchase the Actiontec ECB2500C coax adapter. I wouldn't think I would need this device if I already have a MoCA network created by the Tivo Roamio.
     
  13. fcfc2

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    Hi again,
    The device you have is usually referred to as a wireless network extender and is designed to pickup the wireless settings from the primary router and act as a wireless AP, with 2 Ethernet ports. There are some wanky aspects to the device when connected to a MoCA 2.0 network, in that, it forces all MoCA traffic down to the MoCA 1.1 speeds, where as the Actiontec ECB2500C and other stand alone devices do not do this.
    If left in it's default setting, it would try to detect the wireless settings on your primary router and use whatever MoCA channel was in use. However, Tivo does some non-standard things with their MoCA implementation including using unique MoCA channel designations, there may be other things that make it incompatible with that device also.
    The combo network extender comes with the ECB2500C which in the "usual" setup would be connected at the cable modem/ router location.
    Before you give up, I would try using manual settings for the extender, not automatic, and look into the Tivo settings for the MoCA channel. If the Tivo is set to it's channel 15, that translates to D-1 on most standard MoCA adapters. If no joy after playing with the settings, you could try Actiontec support, or just go with the regular ECB2500C but then change the Tivo DVR to just "connect to" the MoCA network.
     
  14. rapper58

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    OK, I will change the channel on the wireless network extender to match the channel designated by the Tivo DVR. I will also try to remove the encryption key on the extender's setting page, although when I first tried this, the extender did not seem to want to allow it. If these changes don't fix the problem, I plan to call Actiontec support.

    Thanks.
     
  15. mjh

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    So are there other moca adapters that will work with tivo other than the actiontec?
     
  16. mdavej

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    Many. I use Channel Master.
     
  17. fcfc2

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    Motorola, MyGica(Meritline), & Legrand are a few more. If you check Amazon for "MoCA" adapters you may also see some new asian companies now selling MoCA 2.0 adapters, but be careful as most of them only have "fast Ethernet" ports, which kind of defeats having MoCA 2.0.
     
  18. lessd

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    Until TiVo has MoCA 2 on their units and Mini what advantage is MoCA 2 for TiVo use, and even then the use would only be useful for xfering stuff to another PC, or if needed to another TiVo, MoCA 2 will not help streaming from one TiVo to another.
     
  19. fcfc2

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    Hi less,
    I am not advocating MoCA 2.0 for current Tivos, I only mentioned it in passing, although I am pretty sure Tivo didn't put MoCA 2.0 on the new Bolt just to waste money.
    It is also clear that MoCA 2.0 is going to be the eventual standard not just for Tivo but any number of other device manufacturers. Many folks who use their MoCA network not just for Tivo but for adding switches, AP's, general home networking, etc., precisely because many homes have coax already installed, while the number of homes that have both Ethernet and coax are only a tiny fraction. If you don't have Ethernet, then MoCA is generally considered the next best networking option and anyone who does or might use MoCA for other networking functions would be amiss if they didn't consider going with MoCA 2.0 devices from this point forward.
    In my mind, it is similar to using cat 6 vs cat 5e or cat 5, or investing in gigabit switches vs fast Ethernet.
     
  20. aaronwt

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    Only Cat6 and cat5e will give you identical gigabit speeds.

    While going from MoCA 1.1 to MoCA 2.0 gives you a big speed boost.
     

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