Setting up a MoCA Network for Tivo

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  1. Oct 10, 2014 #461 of 1853
    BigJimOutlaw

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    I *think* you can still use your Actiontec for a moca LAN even though the ONT is provisioned for ethernet. But I'm not solid on that. First thing to do is reconnect coax to the router, reboot router, and see if the coax LAN light comes on.

    Are you sure you want to go with 4 moca adapters for those Tivos? The benefit might be limited to some degree. There's a roughly 20 mbps bottleneck on those older boxes no matter how they connect.
     
  2. Oct 10, 2014 #462 of 1853
    Marty1781

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    Try setting it up this way if you can:

    - Remove the POE filter
    - Leave the ethernet from the ONT to the Actiontec router
    - Connect coax from ONT to the splitter's single input
    - Each of the splitter's outputs goes to one of your 4 Tivo's MoCa adaptors
    - One of the splitters outputs should connect to the Actiontec's coax jack. Therefore, you may need a 5-way splitter (4 Tivos + 1 Actiontec). Or if you have a 4-way splitter, connect a 2-way splitter to one of the 4-way splitter's outputs (although not generally recommended, the Fios signal is generally pretty strong so it should be able to handle the multiple splitters). The connection to the Actiontec's coax jack will create the MoCa network over the entire connected coax cabling in your house.
    - Use splitters that have a frequency range of at least 5-1200mhz if possible such as these: http://www.amazon.com/Splitter-Broa...&qid=1412974195&sr=8-1&keywords=moca+splitter
    5-1000mhz will work but since MoCa operates at ~1150mhz, the ones I linked to should work better
    - Call Fios and tell them you want both the ethernet and coax outputs on the ONT active
    - This is basically how my parents have their Fios system setup (active ethernet and coax runs from the ONT) and it works fine
    Good luck!
     
  3. Oct 10, 2014 #463 of 1853
    dbaps

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    I'm planning on connecting a switch (hopefully). I call them stations. Each of the four stations has different electronic equipment that can use an ethernet port or wireless connection.

    I like your idea about reconnecting the coax. Since the Verizon box is broken, I have access to the splitter and all of the coax cables on the outdoors of my garage. It comes inside to the garage (Ethernet) and the coax lines go up to the attic over the garage and then split off in separate directions.

    I can try to run Ethernet cable to a couple of the stations One is on the far side of the house. Right now I have a Netgear Powerline connection into a switch. Perhaps the speed will not be better. I don't really know. I wish there were more Moca 2.0 devices available. It seems to be a very slow rollout. Plus I saw one Gigabit Powerline adapter set that just was released. I was hoping that Moca would give a more consistent connection.

    The router goes from 1150mhz to 1500mhz in increments of 50mhz. However the router shows the coax on the wan and the lan side being disconnected. I need to check and see if I can reconnect the coax at the other end outside too that goes up to the router.

    Thanks for all of your help.
     
  4. Oct 20, 2014 #464 of 1853
    dbaps

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    I spoke with a Verizon rep who said I could either get Coax or Ethernet from my Ont to my router, but not both. I've seen posts online that say they have both. I've also seen some posts where the person has bought a second Actiontec router for the coax. Can someone please tell me what the truth is about this issue?
     
  5. Oct 20, 2014 #465 of 1853
    Marty1781

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    You can definitely have both (just ask the installer to install both when he comes to your house). I have both ethernet and coax installed and active. Ethernet goes straight from the ONT to my own Linksys router (I prefer to use my own, more robust router to run my network, not the Actiontec). Coax connects from the ONT to a 3-way splitter in the attic. From there, two of the outputs go to two cable boxes and the other output goes to the Actiontec coax jack so that it can create a MoCA network for the cable boxes. The Actiontec also has an ethernet cable from one of its LAN ports to a LAN port on my Linksys router in order to provide an internet connection for the Actiontec's MoCA network.

    Regarding purchasing a second Actiontec router, you can definitely buy one if you want to but Verizon provides one as part of the standard install process (that first Actiontec router is what is used to create a MoCA network for your house). A second Actiontec router is potentially useful because you can reconfigure it to act as a MoCA adapter. This is useful for connecting ethernet devices that are in locations where no ethernet jack is available but a coax connection is.
     
  6. Oct 20, 2014 #466 of 1853
    aaronwt

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    On FiOS, Ethernet and Coax are not active at the same time for internet.

    You either have Coax for Tv and twisted pair cable for Internet or you have Coax for both TV and Internet.

    Setting it up for internet access over cat5e/cat6 is the most versatile option on FiOS since you aren't restricted to using the FiOS supplied router.
     
  7. Oct 21, 2014 #467 of 1853
    dmband

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    So the info in the first post isn't totally correct??
    Meaning you can not use the fios router as a moca adapter/poe block AND use it for internet on a wired computer

    If your router is set up currently for Ethernet then the coax isn't active??

    If the router is set to Ethernet, can you simply install an adapter?

    Tia, confused and trying to learn/make the correct purchase
     
  8. Oct 22, 2014 #468 of 1853
    Marty1781

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    Your post is confusing and is lacking the necessary background information to properly answer your questions. What exactly are you trying to accomplish? What is your current Fios setup? Also, the post you quoted is referencing the setup for the ONT, not the router.

    1. The Fios router can certainly be used as a Moca adapter and for hardwired ethernet to a desktop computer. POE blocks are not necessary with Fios.

    2. No, unless it has been disabled, coax is definitely active on the router (in addition to ethernet).

    3. An adapter for what? MoCA? As previously stated, the Fios router can be used as a MoCA adapter.

    Again, you really need to clarify what your current setup is and what you are trying to accomplish in order to properly help you.
     
  9. Oct 22, 2014 #469 of 1853
    dmband

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    Thank you
    I didn't realize ONT was what I quoted. I have been reading lots of stuff.
    To give more info though, I want to use my verizon fios router as an Ethernet connecting AND moca via coax. My computer sits right next to the router but my tivo doesn't.
    I would want to hook up a roamio plus and mini(s)
     
  10. Oct 22, 2014 #470 of 1853
    Marty1781

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    If you have Verizon Fios setup, then you should already have a MoCA network and thus should be good to go. Is there a coax cable currently connected to your Fios router? If so, then all you need to do is connect coax from the wall to both the Tivo and the Mini, tell both the Tivo and the Mini to use MoCA in their network settings, and you're done.
     
  11. Oct 22, 2014 #471 of 1853
    dmband

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    Sweet thanks again
     
  12. Oct 22, 2014 #472 of 1853
    Bigg

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    OMG! Why does everyone find connecting MoCA so darn complicated?!?
     
  13. Oct 22, 2014 #473 of 1853
    nooneuknow

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    I blame it on TiVo's diagrams showing use of the in and out ports of a TA, when a TA is required, plus TiVo assuming everybody can hook up using the same diagram, and only including a generic setup poster with newer TiVos, while having the most slow, and dead-ending website I have used in years...

    Secondarily, I feel the forum "Search" function is utterly useless, and people will have better luck using Google, plus a site-specific search for here.

    I used to get so mad about the same MoCA and/or PoE filter questions being asked, day in and day out, here. Then, I tried looking for something I'm not already actively involved in, and got reminded how hard it is to find things here, even when it's something I posted here a few months back...

    The most effective "search" here, is to begin starting a new thread, then actually pay attention to what the forum system suggests, based on thread topic/title, before you commit to creating the new thread. That doesn't stop new members from starting them, though...
     
  14. Oct 22, 2014 #474 of 1853
    KimHedrick

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    That is exactly what caused me to spend about a week trying to set up my MoCA network. Luckily I didn't spend money replacing the TWC amp that I was told by a TiVo CS rep was the problem.
     
  15. Oct 23, 2014 #475 of 1853
    Bigg

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    It's just not that complicated! People shouldn't need a diagram in the first place. MoCA was made to be simple and just work. If you read up on how it works, you can figure out what will and won't work.

    True, the forum search is pretty terrible.
     
  16. Oct 23, 2014 #476 of 1853
    HazelW

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    A lot depends on your configuration. In my case the signal coming into the house is split; one side goes to an amplifier and then to a 7 way splitter to the TVs. The other side goes up to where the cable modem and router is. Putting a MOCA signal on the side to the cable modem will not go through the amplifier that feeds the tivo's. I had to use satellite diplexers. Would not be at all obvious for someone with no technical training.
     
  17. Oct 23, 2014 #477 of 1853
    John Z NY

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    Hi, i just wanted to go over a configuration plan i had before i try it and end up messing up something.
    my current setup works perfectly fine, but i was looking for added reliability and to free up the wireless....
    using Roamio, and Mini
    currently i have POE -> 3 way splitter (phone modem, data modem, TVs). TV -> 2 way splitter (TA/Tivo roamio, and other was to an old tivo HD that died). the way i have been getting signal to my Mini is by going from modem -> apple airport extreme and using wifi 5.4ghz -> apple time capsule in bridge mode.

    what i am looking to to to free up the wifi and generate less heat from the wireless access points :
    POE -> 3 way splitter (phone modem, data modem, TVs). TV -> filter -> Moca adaptor -> 2 way splitter (TA/Tivo, Moca adaptor). i was looking to connect the moca adaptor to the wired WAN port on the time capsule and leave it in bridge mode.

    (the reason to connect the moca adaptor to the time capsule is cause i need to get internet to a raspberry pi, blu ray player and tivo mini)

    the filter i would be using was leftover when i used the TWC DVR. (used moca for the multiroom viewing) model number marked is: SNLP-1GCWWS

    am i going to have any interference with my TA/Tivo roamio off the 1 leg of the splitter? i don't care if moca doesn't pass the TA, but i don't want to screw up the roamio signal and i don't want the TA to interfere with the other leg of the splitter that goes to the bedroom with the mini. if the TA is going to mess with the moca signal, what if i add another filter between the 2 way and TA/roamio?
     
  18. Oct 23, 2014 #478 of 1853
    nooneuknow

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    Cisco tuning adapters should never be used inline (using the TA coax OUT port) to connect a TiVo, if MoCA is in use. Use a splitter w/PoE filter on leg to TA, use other leg for the TiVo. Enjoy!

    Yes, that'd be a 2-way splitter.
     
  19. Oct 24, 2014 #479 of 1853
    John Z NY

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    I'm not looking to send the moca signal thru the TA to the roamio... I'm looking to send the signal to the other leg of the 2 way splitter to the other moca adaptor... i just wanted to make sure its not going to interfere with it..
     
  20. Oct 24, 2014 #480 of 1853
    BigJimOutlaw

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    Concerned about the placement of the moca adapter that's the most upstream. Actiontec moca adapters don't pass-through moca signals on their tv-out side, if that's how you were planning to do it. You can try it but if it doesn't work, there may need to be another split... one to the adapter, another to the TVs.

    At the Roamio, to avoid TA/moca interference you would do another split. One to Roamio, the other to the TA (with a filter to keep moca out). The other runs to the Mini and such will be fine.
     

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