Setpal boxes to stop working?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series 1 - UK' started by TheBear, Jul 26, 2008.

  1. Pete77

    Pete77 New Member

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    See www.vestel.com.tr/EN/contact

    There is no UK contact number listed but one of the Turkish numbers listed or the US number surely ought to be able to provide some further assistance?

    They only admit to making DVB satellite receivers under their own name at www.vestel.com.tr/MSIB20/Templates/...=GXtp+BOjshvdtU8oC0Y63ZU4Bmg8uj1Jad9TVkxU1fQ=
    but no doubt make the DTT boxes on a third party basis under other brand names such as Whafedale.

    Although there is no UK website I now find they do have both an address and a phone number listed at www.192.com Perhaps you might like to give them a call and ask about the Firmware update and its impact or otherwise on the sound dropout bug. Its even a normal 01 phone number rather than a horrid 0870 number. :):up:

    Vestel UK Ltd
    94 DEDWORTH ROAD
    WINDSOR
    Berkshire
    SL4 5AY
    Business Directory
    01753834500 tel
    01753 834 509 fax
     
  2. AMc

    AMc Active Member

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    I don't have that kind of time on my hands, but thanks for the suggestion.
     
  3. Pete77

    Pete77 New Member

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    So time to post on here but not the 10 minutes needed for a phone call?:confused:
     
  4. Phantom Wombat

    Phantom Wombat New Member

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    I would agree. I got one this week for £40 delivered, and it's the only freeview tuner I've had (and I had a Daewoo Setpal for a few years for the Tivo) that picks up one of the muxes at all (it's a marginal reception that disappears in bad weather but nothing else even recognised the mux was there at all)
     
  5. trevorC

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    terryeden said

    >I bought the Wharfedale LPDV832B from Argos - only £25.
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    >It works very well, seems to get a better signal than my SetPal. You can
    >disable the software scan, but not the channel scan as far as I can see. MHEG
    >can't be disabled.

    Can you confirm that works with Tivo? What code are you using?

    I am completeyl fed up of not being able to get any Freeview STB to work with my Tivo, and am now giving up on my BT setpal STB which on scanning claims to find zero channels.

    All I want is a STB I can get Tivo to control!!
     
  6. Pete77

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    Try something other than a Setpal I would suggest.

    People seem to have this obsessive idea they are better than other Freeview boxes for Tivo use whereas the evidence now seems to be that they run too hot and burn out after only a few years use.

    Try the Sony VTX-D800U as suggested above (many available on Ebay) or alternatively if you have line of sight to a satellite and no other objection to a satellite dish consider a Sky Pay Once Watch Forevev box for £75 from www.freesatfromsky.co.uk (as long as you remember to tell Sky you don't wish to continue subscribing before the end of the free 3/4 month Mux period and back it up with an email to AllCustomerCareEscalation@bskyb.com) or consider a www.freesat.co.uk HD box.

    One point on any set top box which many of you seem to refuse to accept is that they are best placed on a timer that shuts off once a day at 4am or 5am for a couple of minutes when (Olympics excepted) nothing is likely to be recording and then brought back out of Standby by a daily manual recording of a minute or so. In my experience Set Top Boxes left on 24/7 always hang in the end due to some software lock up or other. From this point of view its desirable to try to get a Freeview STB that auto starts up back to the last channel it was on after a power off rather than going in to standby after power is restored. Alternatively a Freeview box that is turned back on by sending the channel number by Tivo is also OK but some Freeview boxes neither go back to the last channel they were on after a power off or are turned on by sending the channel number. Instead they require a hard on button command to turn them back on. These are Freeview boxes to avoid for Tivo use.
     
  7. DeadKenny

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    Something else about Setpal that I remember now. The box I bought also had an RF output which years ago I was interested in for the bedroom telly that just has RF input (yeah, it's a very old telly I bought in my teens, but still works fine :D). Thinking about it, I think my parent's spare telly is similarly RF only. So if the setpal I gave them is dead then they may be stuffed.

    Any other Freeview boxes with RF out that aren't setpal?
     
  8. Pete77

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    All the old OnDigital set top boxes had RF modulators and unlike the Setpal box my Day 1 OnDigital Philips DTX 6370 is still going nearly 10 years on.

    Never seems to freeze and still handles all the Olympics interactive stuff.

    OK its a little slow to change channels but does that matter if partnered as the source for a Tivo? Also these boxes never update the software or auto channel scan on their own and they can be switched on again from a standby (after a power cut for instance) by Tivo by just sending the channel number for the next program to be recorded.
     
  9. AMc

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    I have the slightly older version of the same box DV832BN(2). The box sits on top of Tivo using the front blaster and changes channel with 100% accuracy for months at a time without a restart. Picture quality is good and it deals with a weak signal - the only serious issue is there are intermittent drop outs in the sound which upset some people more than others. We live with it because the benefits out weigh the drawback - I reckon we lose sound about once an hour for half a second. Other people have found it too irritating and have returned the same box.

    My box has RF loop through but no RF output from Freeview.

    It's not clear if the changes to the newer Wharfdale LPDV832B box are significant - mine is silver, the LPDV832B is black - it could simply be cosmetic. As it's excluded from the 30 day refund at Argos you would need to find a fault to return it if you found it unsatisfactory. Of course dropping sound once or twice an hour would probably be enough ;)
     
  10. AMc

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    Well I set auto updating back on yesterday and just ran a manual update - my box says there is no new software available and remains on v1.13.
    So perhaps there's more difference between the Wharfedale DV832BN, Wharfedale DV832BN(2) and Wharfedale LPDV832B than meets the eye? - or the version number on the DTG site is wrong, or they're not actually broadcasting it, or it doesn't make it through my two daisy chained boosters, or ... oh who cares? the box works well enough for me :)
     
  11. steveroe

    steveroe Must do some work...

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    Yes, I've been unable to get my box (unsure of exact model number) to upgrade, it's still on 2.1 which it was last week as well.
     
  12. nickharman

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    Gas man took out the power in our street with a stray spade and so the Setpal DS608P rescanned and yes, its all over for it since the freeview technical changes

    And it was soooo good at changing channels too:-(

    Is the £25 wharfedale from argos a safe bet for channel changing? It seems a very large box but I can live with most negatives as long as it reliably changes channels

    Thx

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  13. AMc

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    My Wharfedale DV832BN(2) has been 100% since I bought that - yes, I really mean it hasn't missed a single change and hasn't been restarted manually in months and months. Last year I had a couple of silent recordings from FiveUS but in retrospect I think this may have been the channel as subsequent recordings were fine.
    It won't wake up on a channel change if you lose power.
    It is quite big, but that means it runs cool - the silver one looks good on top of the Tivo despite the rather 1980's red LED display.
    If the sound drop outs bug you, return it as faulty.
    I would recommend it as an easily available and cheap Tivo feed.

    It would be interesting to hear how Terryeden has found the newer black, low power variant.
     
  14. terryeden

    terryeden TiVo, Tivum, Tiva,

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    It works fine. It's on firmware v0.3 and hasn't picked up the new one that's being broadcast. Haven't had any problems in the few days I've been using it.

    Firmware update CAN be disabled. Although it only runs at 3AM for ~1 minute.
    I don't think it automatically scans for new channels, but I might be wrong. Not noticed it bork any recordings.
    Channel changes are fine.
    Runs very cool.
    MHEG is very fast (if you use it at all)
    Very good at picking up weaker signals.
    Can manually tune it into a MUX if you've got multiple broadcasters.
    Subtitles seem very quick
    2 SCARTs so you can daisy chain a DVD player / recorder.

    Annoying things (really minor and petty)
    Big red LED display. Useful if you want to know what channel TiVo is recording without turning it on. But otherwise just casts a glow across the room. Bit of tape / card should fix that!
    Doesn't switch on after power off. No power cuts here, but slightly annoying.
    If it's in standby, a channel change won't bring it back on. A real shame because the box only uses ~2W in standby. Would have been nice to switch it off during the night knowing that TiVo would wake it if needed.
    No RF modulation. Not important for me, might be for some.
    In black, so doesn't match my carefully coordinated colour scheme.... ;-)

    Overall, for £25 from Argos what more do you want? Spend another £25 and get a UPS if you're worried about power failures.
     
  15. ColinYounger

    ColinYounger It wasn't me.

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    Since the Freeview upgrade my signal quality has degraded noticeably - I can't view any station without breakup. Looking at the signal level of my freeview box, it's gone down around 10-20%.

    Anyone else seeing this?
     
  16. terryeden

    terryeden TiVo, Tivum, Tiva,

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    Nope, if anything, mine's better. They may have fiddled around with something - might be worth rescanning?

    If not, check the engineering pages
    http://digitaluk.co.uk/planned_eng_listing/engineering_works
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/transmitters/index.shtml
     
  17. ColinYounger

    ColinYounger It wasn't me.

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    Rescan is a good idea (duh!) I'll try it later.

    Thanks for the other links.
     
  18. TheBear

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    I can recommend the Clarity STB from Tesco. It picks up MUX's on my old aerial that the Daewoo Setpal box ignored!

    They were on special offer for £12.97 a few weeks back but are now back up to £14.97. Tesco stock number: 204-5154

    http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.204-5154.asp

    Clubcard points too!!
     
  19. nickharman

    nickharman New Member

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    I just got the goodmans from argos, a cinch to set up and it loves Tivos IR blaster

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  20. laurence@key2.co

    laurence@key2.co Loz

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    On advice from lots of people here, I got a Sony VTX-D800U. Must have had it a good 6 months now. Plugged it in first day I got it and haven't touched it since. It's as good as everyone said it would be. Tivo controls it perfectly and picture is excellent. I paid around 80 for mine - if you can get them for £40 now, better still!
     

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