Series3 eSATA Drive Expansion: FAQ + Discussion

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, May 5, 2007.

  1. Oct 6, 2007 #1901 of 2123
    T-Shee

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    100% agreement here.
    If you can use a screwdriver and follow a few easy directions, you can easily (very easily) build your own drive, save some money and get the satisfaction of having done it yourself.

    My MX-1 has been 100% problem free since installation about 6 months ago.
     
  2. Oct 6, 2007 #1902 of 2123
    Joybob

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    Do the yellow 'about to delete' icons on the now playing list go away with a bigger hard-drive?
     
  3. Oct 6, 2007 #1903 of 2123
    NCC2893

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    Nope. It just takes longer to get there. I believe those are triggered when your available space drops under 50%.
     
  4. Oct 6, 2007 #1904 of 2123
    jlib

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    No but they stay there for a longer time (especially if you do not auto record suggestions). They are eligible for deletion only if space is needed. The TiVo will auto delete the oldest first unless you change the keep until date. You can also set up your season passes to keep until you delete if it is something you know you want to archive or absolutely do not want to miss if you do not watch it immediately.
     
  5. Oct 7, 2007 #1905 of 2123
    lrhorer

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    No, they are triggered whenever the Save Until date is exceeded.
     
  6. Oct 7, 2007 #1906 of 2123
    lrhorer

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    I don't know why you came away with that impression. If you have a stock 250G drive, it's extremely easy. Even if you have an expanded primary drive it's not really difficult, although in that case one must remove the primary drive and boot Linux in a desktop PC to marry the drives.

    Well, that's hardly an unusual tool. If one uses one's screwdrivers very much it can actually be rather difficult not to wind up with magnetized tips. On the other hand, while using a magnetic screwdriver is quite unlikely to damage a hard drive, it's still a very remote possibility, and therefore I would not personally suggest you recommend this to other individuals. If someone winds up with a paperweight, they may well accuse you of giving them bad advice even if the magnetic screwdriver had nothing to do with it.

    I agree. I have two of them. I suggest the user consider getting a better e-SATA cable than comes with the enclosure. Some users have reported problems with them, and indeed it looks like this may be the case with mine. More testing is required to make certain, but some intermittent lockups and GSODs appear to have been caused by using the stock cable with my TiVos.
     
  7. Oct 7, 2007 #1907 of 2123
    lrhorer

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    True.

    False. The TiVo will never automatically delete a scheduled recording to make room for a suggestion. If the TiVo is out of room, it will delete first it's recorded suggestions in chronological order of recording and then expired scheduled recordings in chronological order of expiration in order to record a new scheduled recording. It will delete only suggestions in chronological order of recording to make room for a new suggestion. If drive system is full of scheduled recordings, expired or not, then no new suggestions will be recorded. The TiVo will move up the expiration date on scheduled recordings if necessary to make room form new scheduled recordings unless all the recordings are marked "Keep until I delete."
     
  8. Oct 7, 2007 #1908 of 2123
    jlib

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    Oh, OK. Since I have never turned suggestions on ever, I did not know that wrinkle. I had thought that expired programs would be over written by suggestions (one reason I never turned them on). Thanks for the clarification. :up: And I'm still not going to turn them on! :eek:
     
  9. Oct 7, 2007 #1909 of 2123
    gcsheph

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    Much discussion here talks about the mX1 enclosure and one person suggested a 'better cable".
    1) What about the drive itself?- what is a high quality 1TB drive to use in the enclosure?
    2) What about the 'better cable'? Specific recommendations?
    3) When this jewel is built, do you just plug it in and the TIVO recognizes it and it works or is there a process to be followed.

    Many thanks to all you experts out there. (All this refers to new S3HD unit)
     
  10. Oct 7, 2007 #1910 of 2123
    greg_burns

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    Not discounting those who have upgraded the cable, but I am using the original with no problems for months.

    I am thinking about a 1TB, for myself I'm looking at the WD.
    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=367225

    If you have an S3, you have to do the "Kickstart 62" method. Not sure about TivoHD.
     
  11. Oct 8, 2007 #1911 of 2123
    LHMPDX

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    I've had a MX-1 and DB35 500 for about 5 months. Only one GSOD and no other issues. A great solution. I again offer my thanks to all the pioneers.

    After some people reported problems as their external drive filled up, I turned off suggestions and began regularly deleting programs from the recently deleted folder. While only a very small bother, this type of vigilance is completely inconsistent with TiVo's general ease of use.

    Are people finding this necessary, or could it have been an overreaction to a few posts?

    lhm
     
  12. Oct 8, 2007 #1912 of 2123
    generaltso

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    I have an MX-1 on one of my TiVos and an Apricorn on the other, both with 750GB DB35 drives. I've never had a single GSOD or any other issue. They've been working perfectly for months with no special care.
     
  13. Oct 8, 2007 #1913 of 2123
    dr_mal

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    I stopped having issues when I replaced the Antec bundled eSATA cable with a SIIG eSATA cable. Suggestions are on, and my drives are always full.
     
  14. Oct 8, 2007 #1914 of 2123
    greg_burns

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    I am using the original cable, and my drives are always full as well. (250GB internal + 500GB external). No problems here.
     
  15. Oct 8, 2007 #1915 of 2123
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    I think that those who reported having problems with the Tivo slowing down with the external drive had the 750GB. I have the 500GB DB35 and after running solid for 3 months I decided to let it fill up and even turned on suggestions. I let it run full for three weeks without any slowdowns or problems. After that I cleaned everything up, not for performance reason, just to be anal, and all was okay for a week. Then the rack where the Tivo and MX-1 was cleaned and after that I had two to three reboots a day until I could replace the stock MX-1 cable. Replaced the stock MX-1 cable with the SIIG and have been running six weeks and had three more cleaning crews messing with it and it has been rock solid.

    I don't think housekeeping on the Tivo is necessary with the 500GB drive and if you do experience any problems, replace the stock MX-1 cable with the SIIG.

    However, I would be cautions about housekeeping around the Tivo and MX-1 enclosure with the stock cable.
     
  16. Oct 8, 2007 #1916 of 2123
    steves3

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    What! Last night ten minutes into the Packers/Bears game the video freezes and Tivo reboots saying it will take 3 hours to fix. My fix was to restart and unhook the drive so the divorce only cost me 10 minutes of game time (during much swearing).

    Had worked fine for several weeks (using Seagate and MX-1). I'll never try again.
     
  17. Oct 8, 2007 #1917 of 2123
    dr_mal

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    2 things:

    1) It's a very bad idea to unplug the TiVo while it's got a GSOD (the "three hours to repair screen)
    2) It's not uncommon for a SIIG eSATA cable (instead of the stock eSATA that comes with the Antec MX-1) to fix exactly that kind of problem.
     
  18. Oct 8, 2007 #1918 of 2123
    lrhorer

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    The decision is of course completely up to you, but I for one love TiVo suggestions. It's actually rather amazing how well the TiVo can manage to figure out what it's users like and record things accordingly. It does require a small amount of dilligence on the user's part in hitting the thumbs up and thumbs down keys, but after only 3 or 4 weeks of hitting the thumbs up/down buttons, it can guess fairly well what I like. Of course, I'm sure with a significantly sized family wherein each person has different tastes may make it more difficult.

    One other benefit: the TiVo suggestions list acts as a sort of free space indicator. If one enables suggestions and folders, a quick glance at the number of programs in the suggestions folders gives one a rough idea of how many scheduled programs can be recorded before losing one.

    There is really no significant reason not to turn it on.
     
  19. Oct 8, 2007 #1919 of 2123
    lrhorer

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    I could be mistaken, but I believe as of this time there are only two 1TB internal SATA drives avaiable. One is made by Hitachi and the other Seagate. There are a number of compatible e-SATA RAID arrays.

    I haven't replaced mine, yet. There are a number of suggestions in this thread. Try browsing through it.

    See the first post of this thread.

    Is that an S3, or a TiVoHD? Is it stock or did you get an upgraded TiVo? If you have a stock Series III TiVo (250G drive), the kickstart method will work. If you have an upgraded Series III or a TiVoHD, then you'll need mfstools, and you'll need to open the TiVo, voiding the warranty.
     
  20. Oct 8, 2007 #1920 of 2123
    lrhorer

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    That's also the only reason of which I can think why it would take 30 minutes. The time spent doing both of mine together was only about 20 minutes, and I was being exceptionally careful with those large drives. Maybe the bubblegum made it all go faster? :)
     

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