Series3 eSATA Drive Expansion: FAQ + Discussion

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, May 5, 2007.

  1. fandango jango

    fandango jango New Member

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    My Apricorn DVR Xpander went bad as well, causing my TIVO to restart repeatedly. The drive worked perfectly for about a month. Just as previously stated, it sounded like the disk kept trying to spin. I divorced it and kickstarted the drive again. It worked for a short period of time before causing my TIVO to restart again. I called Apricorn tech support. They wanted me to hook the drive to my computer via USB, but the computer would not recognize the drive. At that point, they offerred me a replacement. I hooked up the replacement for a couple of days before deciding to divorce it. I will wait until this is supported before connecting again.
     
  2. maynerd

    maynerd New Member

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    Unplugged and moved my tivo replugged things back in and everything went perfect. Thanks again for the advice folks!
     
  3. richsadams

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    I think most people with MX-1's are using the eSATA cable that came with them. (Ours is functioning fine) But there's at least one other post where the OP said that their MX-1 eSATA cable had gone bad...and it sounds like that's what may have happened to you as long as the drive and enclosure appear to be in good working order.

    A new cable isn't very expensive. Proper eSATA II cables seem to be hit-and-miss in the retail stores so most are buying them on line. There are some good options under #31 on the Series3 eSATA Drive Expansion: FAQ + Discussion post.

    I’d do a quick test on the drive before ordering a cable however. I’d pull the enclosure cover, turn it on and listen to it to ensure that it sounds like it’s spinning up properly. You might also want to plug into your P.C. via USB (or SATA if you have it) and test it to make sure it’s reading/writing okay. (TiVo reformats the drive each time it's married so whatever you put on it will be deleted.) You could also try running the manufacturer's diagnostic program like Segate’s SeaTools.

    Good luck and keep us posted! :up:
     
  4. richsadams

    richsadams Well-Known Member

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    :up: :up:
     
  5. bsather

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    I have two S3's upgraded internally and with esata drives in Antec MX-1's. I had multiple GSOD's on the first one, and after replacing the stock cable with the Siig CB-SA0111-S1 esata cable, I have had zero problems. So it can happen.
     
  6. richsadams

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    I think I'll order a back-up cable just in case.
     
  7. Kenji

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    Wow, that's 2.5 failed Apricorn DVR Xpanders in this thread (mine came back to life after cycling its power a few times). That doesn't speak well for Apricorn's reliability.
     
  8. drew00001

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    Given my requirements below, which drive would you buy? I'd also appreciate any reason to stay away from one of these drives. Please ignore total price. Also, price per GB is important to me, but a few $.01 per GB will not kill me.

    I am only considering drives 500GB and above. I suppose this means I am considering overall quality/satisfaction, including noise, heat, longevity, etc. I am considering three drives:

    1. WD WD5000AVJS
    2. Seagate DB35 (500 or 750GB),
    3. Hitachi Deskstar (either 500GB, 750GB, or 1TB)

    These seem to be the standard choices, so typing them out was probably more information than you needed.
     
  9. richsadams

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    WD's run hot and should probably be avoided. Apricorn's are using WD and there are two reports of failures recently as well :( .

    The Seagate DB35 7200.3's seem to be the most reliable and are in wide use by forum members. Be sure to get model numbers that end in SCE (not ACE).

    A few folks are using the Hitachi's with success as well.
     
  10. lrhorer

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    I'm using a Seagate Barracuda 750G in an Antec MX-1 housing on one TiVo and a Hitachi Deskstar 1TB on the other. The 750G is paired with a stock 250G Series III TiVo, and the 1Tb is paired with a Weaknees 1TB Hitachi Deskstar Series III. I am pleased with both, although both are experiencing occasional GSODs since upgrading the external drives. They are annoying but not frequent, and I've only lost 2 programs out of many hundreds recorded. Both of them aired at a later date and were captured at that time. Neither unit suffered a single GSOD before upgrade, but both suffered a GSOD within 4 days of upgrading. They were upgrades several months apart, and I had one for 5 months before upgrading, the other 2 months before upgrading.
     
  11. Laserfan

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    Can someone here tell me if this 2TB Cavalry eSATA drive selling at Buy.com for $600 will just plug & play with the S3 Tivo?
     
  12. moxie1617

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    It shouldn't. There is a 1TB limit per drive and that unit is 1.5TB.
     
  13. richsadams

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    moxie1617 is correct, TiVo currently has a 1TB limit per drive although there are one or two people here running a RAID setup.

    FYI it's noted on the first post in this thread that Cavalry drives have had significant problems when being used as eSATA drives on TiVo.
     
  14. platbr

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    Just thought I'd chime in that my Tivo S3 refurb arrived this week, and after a quick setup and cablecard swap (from the returned Tivo HD), I was able to get Kickstart 62 to work first try. I'm using an Antec MX-1 with a Seagate DB35 7200.3 750 GB drive, exactly as recommended in this thread. I'm using the eSATA cable that came in the Antec MX-1 box, with all the parts purchased from ExCaliberPC.

    On the whole, this is a great setup that I'm very pleased with. I guess time will tell if the "two-month" itch shows up, and problems develop, but I'm optomistic.
     
  15. richsadams

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    :up: Great news and thanks for keeping us up to date! Just curious if you're planning on letting your drives fill up or if you're going to keep the Recently Deleted folder, SP's and WL's down below their max. It would be good to know either way should something happen.

    Not that it will mind you! I'm sure everything will be fine. :D
     
  16. richsadams

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    :up: Great news and thanks for keeping us up to date! Just curious if you're planning on letting your drives fill up or if you're going to keep the Recently Deleted folder, SP's and WL's down below their max. It would be good to know either way should something happen.

    Not that it will mind you! I'm sure everything will be fine. :D
     
  17. moxie1617

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    The 25th will be 3 months for me with the MX-1 and the 500GB DB35. I had one reboot but that was due to a toxic program-an episode of DL.TV. It was reproducible. Currently I'm recoding everything available in order to fill up the HD to see if that introduces any instability, and not doing any housekeeping on the S3. I want to see what happens before the fall season starts up.

    I still think this thread needs a fingers-crossed emoticon, at least I do. :)
     
  18. jtrain

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    I checked the drive to make sure it was spinning up properly with no noticeable sounds of failure in startup.

    Thought I'd try and re-install the drive last night and went off without a hitch with no reboots or anything at least in the three hours subsequent to the installation of the drive.

    Well, after turning the TV on this morning, I once again got the 2nd Drive Error Message. I went ahead and powered down the drive and switched over to single drive mode.

    I think now, I may either try to get a replacement drive as it is a brand new Seagate drive and/or replace the eSata cable with an eSATA II cable and see if that works.

    I'm certainly not disheartened as this setup was a gift (Antec enclosure with DB 35 drive), but am anxious to get it working properly before the fall season of television/football begins.
     
  19. msrolla

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    Today is two months on the 750G FreeAgent Pro and the Siig cable. Drive has been full enough to erase old suggestions for at least 3 weeks. No problems.
     
  20. Laserfan

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    I thought I'd done a Search but I guess I jumped the gun. Thanks guys for the feedback.
     

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