Series3 eSATA Drive Expansion: FAQ + Discussion

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, May 5, 2007.

  1. moxie1617

    moxie1617 Member

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    FYI. Newegg has the MX-1 enclosure up at their web site with a $10 instant savings and $20 mail-in rebate.
     
  2. hunts

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    I saw this also AFTER I bought my MX-1 2 days ago. :( Oh well, such is life.
     
  3. moxie1617

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    Yeah, I paid full price for mine too. Hopefully someone else can benefit from this.
     
  4. SMB-IL

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    My Seagate 750gb FAP worked fine for two months or so also and then the TiVo started rebooting constantly. I think it also has to do with space management -- everything seemed fine until there was a huge amount of shows/movies both stored and recently deleted. I divorced them, but they want NO part of getting back together. I finally gave up and have the 750gb on my Mac as a backup/video storage drive.

    Any news on when TiVo might "officially" get the eSATA feature going?
     
  5. richsadams

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    :( Sorry to hear about the "break up". Well, now you have more real estate for your computer files! ;) No news (AFAIK) about eSATA support other than "soon" according to TiVo.

    IMO the more I read "Everything was fine but weeks (or months) later I'm having problems" the more it seems likely that we are indeed seeing a storage issue. If TiVo has increased the size of the "temp file" for the software running TiVo HD it seems plausible that it's part of the eventual eSATA support and hopefully we'll see an improvement once the next S3 upgrade is pushed out.

    I wonder if they purposefully ensured that the TiVo HD would not be able to handle an eSATA drive to avoid these very issues until they were ready to support it?

    It seems like I can tell when TiVo is getting sluggish but when I clean out the Recently Deleted files and tidy up the SP's and WL's it seems to come right again. So far no reboots or GSOD's, etc. I suspect I'm seeing fewer issues with a 500GB eSATA HDD than others with larger drives as well.

    Com'on update!! :up:
     
  6. ctcraig

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    After I "remarried" my ESATA and TiVO the relationship lasted less than a day. Then I was back to continuous reboot. I wish I could try the manual space management!

    Cheers

    Chuck
     
  7. nuttzy06

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    So is our new hypothesis to do some simple cleanup while you can - deleted items/suggestions down to a certain level where TiVo doesn't start to act sluggish?

    Thanks,
    -Nuttzy :cool:
     
  8. richsadams

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    Keeping things cleaned up, a good eSATA II cable, the right drive in the right enclosure, holding your tongue just so and a local witch doctor's blessing...all sounds about right. ;) Well, about as good as anything else it would seem. I'm all ears otherwise. :confused:
     
  9. richsadams

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    Sounds like some data corruption in your case. Perhaps Kickstart 57 would help clear things up if you can get the drive remarried and TiVo running long enough to try it. Just a thought.

    Keep us posted! :up:
     
  10. maynerd

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    Just a quick follow up and a question.

    Some of may remember that my MX-1 enclosure started making noise and in my investigation of the noise I accidentally unplugged it while it was on and while the Tivo was recording. Upon hooking it back up I couldn't get the Tivo to find my drive. I got my replacement drive from Seagate. Plugged it all back in and everything is A-OK again! Whee!

    I have a question.

    I will be needing to unhook my tivo and external drive this weekend (unplug and move everything around). What is the best/proper way to power down everything so I can feel comfortable that my hard drive won't blow up again?

    Thanks!
     
  11. jrpeterson5

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    I found the best way to do this is the following:

    1. In the setting menu, select restart TiVo (and follow directions - three thumbs down and enter).
    2. When you see the startup screen, pull the plug on the TIVO.
    3. Once, and only once, the power to the TIVO is gone...then shut off your external drive. And then the eSATA cable can be disconnected.
    4. Move and setup everything in the new location. Of course being conscience of interference that can effect the eSATA cables (subwoofers, power supplies, power cords, etc)
    5. Plug in the eSATA cable and then turn on the external and allow it to spin up (I give it 15-30 seconds).
    6. Plug in the TiVo.
    7. Off you go!!

    Your TiVo will never know it was moved and should boot up normally with the eSATA drive connected. Good luck!
     
  12. richsadams

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    Glad to hear everything is back to “normal” again! :up:

    When the eSATA drive needs to be disconnected and I want to save everything I've done about the same as jrpeterson5, however I just unplug TiVo. As long as TiVo is unplugged before you disconnect the eSATA drive you can do whatever you want with it. Just make sure the eSATA drive is powered up and connected to TiVo prior to powering TiVo back up and you should be fine.
     
  13. maynerd

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    Thanks jrpeterson5 & richsadams!

    So just to be clear richsadams...you don't bother with the whole resetting and startup stuff that jrpeterson5 does you just unplug the tivo?

    As always whenever I need help someone is here to help!
     
  14. richsadams

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    Although I'm sure it couldn't hurt I never go through the screens...as long as they're not in the middle of recording anything I've always just pulled the plug on S1's, S2's and S3's and they haven't given me any grief yet. ;) Being that they're Linux based I don't think TiVo needs to go through any "shutdown" procedure...but I could be wrong...ask my wife! :rolleyes:
     
  15. jtrain

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    Installed this last night without a hiccup...I'm very excited for the extra space considering football season and various television series starting up soon. I've got a Series 3 that I received for Father's Day along with a Sony SXRD KDS-50A2020...very excited to be sure...just wanted to share my success story...and give a thank you to all of those in this thread who supply such useful information day in and day out. :)
     
  16. richsadams

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    Congrats! :up: Keep everything neat and tidy and it should serve you well. BTW, we're in West Linn...looks like we're just across the freeway from you. :)
     
  17. donaudio

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    Follow-Up on my FAP experience. Installed my third FAP with a Siig cable and put a muffin fan behind it as the unit is in a closed cabinet. So far it has been working for over one week and the FAP is not hot. The fan seems to keep it cool and since it is in a cabinet there is no noise. Don
     
  18. platbr

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    Does there seem to be any kind of a trend with eSATA drives developing problems in the longer term? Full drives & too many programs causing issues?

    I've just ordered an S3, MX-1, and 750GB DB35... I guess I can try it out for myself. I'm just wondering if it would make more sense to just stick the 750GB inside the S3, rather than on the eSATA port.
     
  19. jfh3

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    Well, a one drive system is always better than a two drive one. If you are comfortable opening the S3, I'd put it inside. You can always add an external drive later.
     
  20. richsadams

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    Yes, there appears to be an issue with TiVo when the eSATA drive (and presumably the "A" drive) fill up. Although ours has been working just fine for over three months we’ve begun clearing the Recently Deleted folder and keeping the SP’s and WL’s down to ensure things don’t go south. I can’t be positive that this is why we haven’t run into difficulty, but it seems to be working. If I were to do it over again I'd probably opt for an internal drive or wait until TiVo upgrades the software to support the eSATA drive function.
     

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