Series3 eSATA Drive Expansion: FAQ + Discussion

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  1. oldnacl

    oldnacl New Member

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    Thanks for the kind words. I'm on eSATA hiatus now; cables, drives disconnected and starting to restore season passes while weeding out the home shopping channels from the program lineup after the factory reset (which, incidentally, didn't help).
    I did put the eSATA card in my PC and connected the FAP successfully confirming that cable and drive work.
    Someone suggested that divorcing the previously connected eSATA drive had left the TiVo in a state thinking a 0GB capacity drive was connected. I searched both the web and this forum for more info on that possibility but came up empty handed. One thing I did read was that I may be unsuccessful in using the current factory drive to format a new, larger internal HDD now that I've divorced an eSATA drive. If anyone knows more about that possibility and can post a link to to information on the issue, I'd appreciate it, as I believe that's the path I'm going to follow.
     
  2. spike2k5

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    Sorry to hear that.
    I was never able to work FAP well on my S3 either so it's off my recommended list.

    If you want to upgrade internal drive after divorcing eSATA, you have to run a utiltiy called fixdivorce. You can get that from mfslive.org site. Download the latest iso which is 1.2.
     
  3. oldnacl

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    THANK YOU! THANK YOU! That's the information I need. The last thing I want to do after this exercise is have problems upgrading the internal drive. I DL-ed 1.2 yesterday but didn't read the release notes until just now, after reading your post. Hopefully the only decision remaining is whether to buy the DB35 DVR version or just pull the drive from the FAP case. I suppose I'll void the warranty doing that and there goes the 5 year guarantee. Still, I hate having so much invested in this project if I buy the DB35.
    A Comcast rep I spoke to this morning says they're revising their price schedule given the changes mandated by the FCC on STBs effective July 1. I wonder what that is going to do to the CC fees for our S3s. The rep I spoke with indicated they were going to add a new and so far undisclosed "service fee" for cable cards. I may not even need any extra storage space if I give Comcast their CCs back and just record OTA!
     
  4. Jul 1, 2007 #1304 of 2123
    Ilene

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    3rd GSOD. Still not sure why. Things seemed to be working fine. I had recorded the entire Concert for Diana on MTV-HD and the 1 hour prime time of the same.
     
  5. Jul 2, 2007 #1305 of 2123
    FrogGremlin

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    Official TiVofolk follow these boards. Maybe one will help compensate you for your efforts by offering a replacement Series 3. It certainly sounds like the eSATA connection has gone bad at the TiVo end of the path.
     
  6. Jul 2, 2007 #1306 of 2123
    gbm

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    Hi,

    I have my Antec MX-1 and I'm waiting on the release of the Hitachi Cinemastar 1TB(not the Deskstar). It was supposed to be released in the second quarter of 2007. Any info on when it may be available?

    Thanks,

    gbm
     
  7. Jul 2, 2007 #1307 of 2123
    S3-2501

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    Well, it's already been a month since I added my FAP 750, and I just paid the charge bill for it.

    No problems yet. Hopefully it'll continue to work smoothly now that I've literally passed the point of no return(s)
     
  8. Jul 2, 2007 #1308 of 2123
    hunts

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    I believe the MX-1 will only support up to 750GB. Can anyone confirm this?

    Edit: Confirmed that 750 GB is the max.
    http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=77150
     
  9. Jul 2, 2007 #1309 of 2123
    RoundSparrow

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    Has this been mentioned, it does not seem to get reference on the first page.

    the eSATA interface on the FreeAgent Pro 750GB has many reports of problems. It is slower than the USB in many cases (Tested on a Windows XP or Vista sytem) and under Linux has timeout and disconnect issues.

    It seems the FreeAgent Pro uses a "SATA to SATA" bridge and isn't just a straight cable into the internal drive.

    Anyway, today I found reference to a firmware update!!

    google FA_Pro_eSATA_Update.zip

    You have to use Windows and the USB interface to update it... Testing myself.
     
  10. Jul 2, 2007 #1310 of 2123
    maynerd

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    I'm not sure that this is definitive, that the enclosure won't support a 1TB drive. It is possible that the info was written up before 1TB drives. I dunno though..just saying...anyone try and put a big mamma jamma HD in it?

    This is interesting and I'm sure many look forward to your results.
     
  11. Jul 2, 2007 #1311 of 2123
    oldnacl

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    That's interesting - in testing the eSATA connection on my PC, I made no bench tests, just confirmed that it was working and file transfers successful. Given the PC/Windows penchant for BIOS issues, I think I'll run a few rudimentary tests on the PC and then try the same tests with it connected to a Mac and see if the transfer results match before messing with the drive firmware.
    In my case, I'm about over the eSATA debacle, so it no longer matters, but it would be good information. Of course, without reformatting, I'll only be able to read from the FAP since it's by default formatted NTFS. I can reformat it FAT 32 so both PC and Mac and write to it.
     
  12. Jul 2, 2007 #1312 of 2123
    BruceShultes

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    Interesting, since I have been using a 1TB Deskstar in mine.

    Other than an occasional GSOD, it has given no problems. These could have been caused by power problems in my area. My UPS's beep quite often, however until I get another UPS, the MX-1 and S3 are not connected to one.
     
  13. Jul 2, 2007 #1313 of 2123
    gbm

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    I'm not going to go back and find them, but in addition to BruceShultes there were others who verified that the MX-1 would work with the Hitachi 1TB Deskstar drive. I figured that for an external drive enclosure, it was form factor and the connection cable (eSATA) that would determine what would work. If I'm wrong about that, no big deal, I'll use the enclosure with one of my PCs and find one that does.

    But does anyone have any info about when the Cinemastar drive will be out? If it's been delayed for awhile, I may get one of the 750 GB Seagates instead. I want a DVR certified drive and I hate the thought of adding a different (larger) one later because once the drive has been connected for awhile it will be hard to upgrade to a new drive without losing a lot of shows (stored on the removed drive).

    gbm
     
  14. Jul 2, 2007 #1314 of 2123
    maynerd

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    Give em a call and see what they say...

    Contacts
    U.S.A.
    Karin Gilles
    Hitachi Global Storage Technologies
    408-717-7676
    karin.gilles@hitachigst.com
     
  15. Jul 2, 2007 #1315 of 2123
    jlib

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    Carmel...
    No problem waiting but realize the S3 is not going to use any of the advanced DVR features the CinemaStar provides. It is an OEM drive intended for a mfr to build a system around it. The S3 will interface with it like a regular drive. It will be cheaper to just get one of the readily available commodity DeskStar drives and simply put it in quiet mode.
     
  16. Jul 2, 2007 #1316 of 2123
    RoundSparrow

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    Some more info on the Seagate FreeAgent Pro 750GB. I purchased mine from BestBuy when they had the $199 sale...

    The firmware is for the Silicon Storage Technology SST39xF020

    Before update: 0.34.0010
    After update: 0.34.0011
     
  17. Jul 2, 2007 #1317 of 2123
    IronTemple

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    Anyone have any insights on Western Digital's "My Library Video Edition DVR Expander
    (WDG1S5000)"?

    500G w/enclosure for $199 specifically designed for DVR storage expansion
     
  18. Jul 2, 2007 #1318 of 2123
    nuttzy06

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    You sound like just the guy I want to talk to ;) Since I don't want to lose what's on my original internal drive, I'd like to go as large as possible with the external. Is your 1TB Deskstar working well enough for you to recommend?

    I assume you have the Deskstar, Antec MX-1, and use the cable from the Antec. I assume you'd also recommend a UPS be added. Is it quiet? Did you need to mess with any of the drive's options? You seem pretty certain that you occasional GSODs are related more to the environment, and not the components, correct?

    Lastly, do you know the Manufacturer's Part Number (MPN)? Pricegrabber,com has a 0A34915 and a 0A34193 and there's about a $20 difference ($363 v. $384). No biggie if you're not sure.

    I'd appreciate any info you would like to share. Thanks!
    -Nuttzy :cool:
     
  19. Jul 3, 2007 #1319 of 2123
    lkinley

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    It sure solved the eSATA problems with my drive. Transfers under XP were far, far slower than using the USB interface. With the firmware upgrade, I'm seeing 59MB/s using hdparm -t under Linux. Upgrading the firmware resets the spindown and lights settings, so if you turned those off you will need to do it again.

    I am not using the drive with my S3, although I bought it with that purpose in mind. I decided to use it on my PC instead and buy a DB35 drive for the S3 instead. I've had too many drive failures in the past to take any undue risk with my S3.

    -Lance
     
  20. Jul 4, 2007 #1320 of 2123
    wilhouse

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    2 questions:

    is there a link where people have listed esata drives that work flawlessly? If not, should we start one?

    does the drive have to be formatted first or do you just attach it? I posted that question elsewhere too.

    wilhouse
     

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