Series3 eSATA Drive Expansion: FAQ + Discussion

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, May 5, 2007.

  1. May 12, 2007 #521 of 2123

    Fofer Bo55man69

    Oct 29, 2000


    Yes, seriously.
  2. May 12, 2007 #522 of 2123

    bkdtv New Member

    Jan 9, 2003
    DC Metro Area
    That WD5000F032 has a soft button? A previous owner said it had a hard button. I'll change that.

    It looks like some people don't understand the description, because that's the second time someone has claimed a "hard" on/off power switch for a device that evidently did not have one.

    I have renamed the column to "Fixed On/Off toggle switch?" Hopefully, that will provide more clarity. No product in this column should have a "yes" unless it has a switch that can be moved from the "off" to "on" position, and remain there, until it is physically moved again. This is typically implemented as an on/off rocker switch on the back of the enclosure, but it can also be implemented as a button that stays depressed.

    No disk preparation is required. See FAQ questions #9 and #10. :)
  3. May 12, 2007 #523 of 2123

    TiivoDog FIOS Fast!!!

    Feb 14, 2007
    Central PA
    No - I am not offended at all and just wish I had the oppotunity to buy one of the more reliable ones before I did.... Thx for the insight on the external units - misery or (dissapointment in this case) loves company :D :D
  4. May 12, 2007 #524 of 2123
    Jack D

    Jack D New Member

    Nov 2, 2006
    DC Metro Area
    Pretty quiet. Not noisier than the TIVO. I have to say, however, that I probably have a significant amount of "ambient" noise in my room and it's a big room so the subtle noise from the external drive or the TIVO internal drive would not make much difference to me anyway.
  5. May 12, 2007 #525 of 2123
    Jack D

    Jack D New Member

    Nov 2, 2006
    DC Metro Area


    Just make sure it is an "eSata" cable. I think the one in your link will work but it doesn't specifically say "eSata." It does, however, look like the one I have that works.
  6. May 12, 2007 #526 of 2123

    richsadams Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2003
    A quick FYI: Our Apricorn DVR Xpander eSATA drive has a "push button" power switch on the front of the unit. The button does not remain in a depressed position...push it once to turn the unit on, push it again to turn it off. The unit remains on after a power failure (assuming it was on prior). I suppose this could be categorized as a "toggle switch" as well?

    Many of Apricorn's other external drives and enclosures have the same feature.
  7. May 12, 2007 #527 of 2123

    slimm Member

    Sep 19, 2003
    Cincinnati, OH
    I'm using the Apricorn external enclosure with a 750GB DB35 drive and agree with your comments. Mine is behind an audio cabinet with a glass front door and I can't hear the hum or the drive at all.
  8. May 12, 2007 #528 of 2123

    jlib Lean Forward

    Nov 21, 2002
    Just a quick data point regarding cables. Those who are resurrecting older SATA external enclosures with a SATA-to-ESATA cable make sure to follow the least common denominator rule as far as specs go. Max cable length for SATA spec is 1 meter but there are longer out-of-spec SATA-to-ESATA cables out there. But most people buying new gear will be going ESATA-to-ESATA which has a 3 meter maximum.

    As far as removing existing partitions goes I think I would if it is a Mac partition. I only say that because somewhere (was it Engadget?) I saw posted a screen shot of a partition table after removal from the ESATA connection to the S3 and it showed the original Mac partitions and the new MFS ones.

    Keep up the good work documenting which drive/enclosure combinations work. I was a little saddened that it seems a bit of a crap shoot at this time. I guess that is why it is called the "bleeding edge." I am anxious for everyone to join the Terabyte Tivo club and the stock 250GB with an external 750GB ESATA seems the most elegant solution or at least the one most have been waiting for.

    I am also anxiously awaiting the result of spike2k5's investigations into appending to an already expanded S3.
  9. May 12, 2007 #529 of 2123

    Nalez Guest

    Mar 1, 2002
    I would not be suprised if their order system has logic built in to automaticly adjust prices as demand warrants.
  10. May 12, 2007 #530 of 2123

    smoknyreyz Member

    Jan 5, 2005
    Nashville, TN
    Just a follow up on the 750GB Free Agent Pro I ordered from Fry's yesterday for $239. The drive arrived today as expected. I had no problems with the setup. Worked the first time around - TiVo rebooted and I got the drive added message. From the time I signed for the package to the time I was enjoying 131 hours of HD bliss was approximately 20 minutes.

    I don't notice any noise at all from the drive. It's definitely not any louder than the Series 3 itself.

    I didn't do anything extra to the drive (hook up to computer and delete partition, etc).
    I just pulled it from the box - connected it to the series 3, and then powered them both up and went through the kickstart procedure.

    The drive boots up on its own after a power failure as long as it is still connected to the TiVo via the esata cable and the TiVo has power as well.

    Hope this helps anyone with concerns about the Free Agent Pro.

    Now time to go fill up that drive. :)
  11. May 12, 2007 #531 of 2123

    GaryRudolph New Member

    Mar 14, 2004
    I just had success with the Venus DS 3 SATA enclosure with a Seagate 750GB disk (max size it suports). It has a physical power button, and automatically starts up after power failure. It also has a fan. Couple notes:

    1) I had to partition the drive beforehand (I used the USB).
    2) I had to purchase a eSATA to SATA cable (I to L) as the enclosure is SATA and not eSATA.
  12. May 12, 2007 #532 of 2123

    Hystyk28 Member

    Sep 11, 2005
    Any solutions to this? I am experiencing the same thing.
  13. May 12, 2007 #533 of 2123

    rtudisco New Member

    May 5, 2007
    I have successfully upgraded with an Antec MX-1 enclosure and a seagate 750 g drive.

    A surprising problem I am having is after the kickstart 62 the cooling fan does not come on. I tried last night and didn't notice until the temp was at 70C! I disconnected and divorced the drive for the night. I tried again today and the same thing happened. I had to manually give the fan a couple of spins to get it running and it is running for now. I am concerned what will happen if there is a power failure and the Tivo reboots unattended. Any ideas why this would happen? It never occurred before I tried this expansion.

    On the other hand the MX-1 enclosure is very quiet and easy to use with a real on/off switch.
  14. May 12, 2007 #534 of 2123

    Adam1115 Well-Known Member

    Dec 15, 2003
    Denver ish
    Still running strong on the Cavalry CAXM37500. Not one problem. Best $127.49 I've ever spent..
  15. May 12, 2007 #535 of 2123

    tase2 Shy Guy

    Sep 26, 2004
    Wallingford, CT
    A little OT, but I just want to double check something.

    If I place that drive inside a new S3, will all the previous recordings still be there?
  16. May 12, 2007 #536 of 2123

    bonnie_raitt Member

    Sep 14, 2001
    Seattle, WA
    Probably a dumb question, but how did you check the temp?
  17. May 12, 2007 #537 of 2123
    Jim Cook

    Jim Cook New Member

    Sep 13, 2006
    Well, after a few more finally worked. I have no idea how or why..but here's what I did

    1) definitely pulled the plug on the Tivo and waited a full 1 minute before plugging back in
    2) made sure the Seagate drive was spinning when I plugged the Tivo back in
    3) double checked the cable connections by really, really, really pushing them both in hard to their connectors (while wiggling and pushing to make sure they were "seated")

    Good luck....this drive and or connection is definitely finicky on getting it to recognize

    Final note: I didn't have to rush to push the pause button. In fact on the success attempt I waited until all front panel lights came on and THEN hit the pause button. Personally, I believe you can hit pause anytime after it powers up and before the front panel lights go out......but definitely no need to be a 2 handed contortionist by plugging in and holding the button need.

    Good luck!
  18. May 12, 2007 #538 of 2123

    lcann44 New Member

    Apr 15, 2007
    It's on the system information page. He's talking about his TiVo temp, not his eSATA.
  19. May 12, 2007 #539 of 2123

    XBR Member

    May 17, 2002
    Just curious: what was your first clue? What made you go check the temp? Did you get an overtemp warning?
  20. May 12, 2007 #540 of 2123

    jfh3 Active Member

    Apr 15, 2004
    Denver area
    The report of the internal fan not working after a FAP drive being attached externally concerns me - what is the experience of others?

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