Series 6 TiVo ULTRA UHDTV, UD

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by zerdian1, Apr 29, 2015.

  1. Johncv

    Johncv Well-Known Member

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    There is a new disc standard it call Ultra HD Blu-Ray:

    http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/ultra-hd-blu-ray-specs-dates-and-titles/

    http://www.cnet.com/news/ultra-hd-4k-blu-ray-what-we-know/
     
  2. Dixon Butz

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    4K streaming is spectacular. You have obviously never seen it so why are you trolling?
     
  3. dougdingle

    dougdingle HD Tech

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    Yep. Whether in the consumer area or the professional area, those pushing for 4K always always have something they want to sell you. In this case, it happens to be 800 million new TVs worldwide. And when that market gets saturated (and it will), there will be 8K snake oil right around the corner.

    Think of it as the "3D straight into your living room!!!!" debacle all over again, just without the glasses.
     
  4. Dixon Butz

    Dixon Butz Member

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    Technology evolves, get over it already.
    No is forcing you to buy anything.
    Some people buy new cars every year. Some buy a new iPhone every 6 months. BFD
    I can't wait until a 65" 8K is available for PC! 4K is amazing! I laugh at all the haters :D
     
  5. lessd

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    :up::up::up:

    Not at present, 4K streaming is done directly from your 4K HDTV, or from some satellite source.
     
  6. lessd

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    Have you seen it (4K streaming) next to a uncompressed 1080P signal on the same HDTV ?
     
  7. Dixon Butz

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    Well there is really no such thing as a uncompressed 1080P video for consumers. But 1080P does look great on my UHD TV upscaled to 4K. I have TB's of ripped Blurays.
    I have seen plenty of 4K streaming. Netflix, Ultraflix, MGO, Youtube. All looks amazing even though it can be heavily compressed. You get image quality and resolution that you can not get with Bluray.
    One thing is great is how my TV's image quality has been greatly increased by firmware updates. It really is noticeable. Tomorrow I will be installing the Samsung SEK-3500U/ZA 2015 Evolution Kit that upgrades all the TV's hardware. Which will improve the IQ even more and add features.
     
  8. tarheelblue32

    tarheelblue32 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I was about to say that I don't think I've ever even seen a truly uncompressed 1080p video stream. Unless you work for a media company, I doubt most people ever will.
     
  9. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    Where are you getting an uncompressed 1080P signal? It certainly isn't from a Blu-ray Disc.
     
  10. lessd

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    I should have said the least uncompressed 1080P.
     
  11. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I'm not a 4K hater. However the reality is that a 4K TiVo is completely unnecessary at this point. Even with H.265 the bandwidth and processing requirements for 4K are too high for current linear broadcast technology. That's why at this point 4K is all streaming via VOD services. Cable could deal with the bandwidth, but the real time encoding hardware still isn't there yet. OTA can't even deal with the bandwidth. So what's the point of having a 4K DVR if there is nothing for it to record?
     
  12. dougdingle

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    I watch 1080p uncompressed all day on Sony OLED monitors, and depending on the camera and lens, it can be quite spectacular when set up correctly.

    Some compression is better than others. Apple's ProRes 4:4:4:4 is excellent, as is Avid's DNxHD 220x. Prores 4:2:2 and AVC-Intra are pretty good. MPG2 is garbage for the most part. H.264 is interesting - it is visually quite good for a very small file size, but you can't do anything with in terms of post production manipulation. It falls apart instantly as soon as you attempt to color correct it or otherwise manipulate the image.

    As I've said before, I currently see no advantage to 4K for the home at normal viewing distances the way it is being distributed. I do see great advantage for it theatrically, especially if the entire workflow stays at 4K and doesn't get rezzed around to save space while it's being posted.
     
  13. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    A lot of the syndicators we deal with still use Intra only MPEG-2 @ 4:2:2 for distribution. (occasionally we see 4:4:4) H.264 is just starting to catch on, but is still a small percentage. We do see some ProRes and DNxHD but mostly on the ingest side. They're typically looking to convert those formats to MPEG-2 or H.264.
     
  14. zerdian1

    zerdian1 Roamio PRO, Roamio,

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    Streaming is OK only if you have a good workable fast internet everywhere you go.
    when you are on a train, you can not see a whole streamed movie.
    you can watch a whole prerecorded movie.
    I love the ability to record and playback anywhere.
    So far I have 5.5TB ON TIVO and 16TB on DISH.

    What I need is a good TiVo Playback manager for my OSX iMac Desktop and my OSX Mac Book Pro Laptop. I have not been able to find TiVo Desktop for Mac.


     
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  15. zerdian1

    zerdian1 Roamio PRO, Roamio,

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    I do not think TiVo will limit to Streaming. TiVo is a storage Company.
    their model is record now and playback later.
    Maybe they will have a way to store streaming ULTRA 4K and play it later.


     
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  16. zerdian1

    zerdian1 Roamio PRO, Roamio,

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    I do not think TiVo will limit to Streaming. TiVo is a storage Company.
    their model is record now and playback later.
    Maybe they will have a way to store streaming ULTRA 4K and play it later.
    TiVo announced both the MEGA and the ULTRA September 2014.
    both have been prototyped.
    the MEGA with 24TB of RAID hot swappable disks is working but is behind schedule to be available.
    The ULTRA will record 4K video. Is doe snot make any sense for it only to be for 4K Streaming video, unless it can record streaming 4K video.
    The MEGA can still be a Roamio with 6 tuners.
    But I still think that the ULTRA recording capability may make more sense as a new series, Series 6.

     
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  17. davidg716

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    Wow, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about do you...
     
  18. zerdian1

    zerdian1 Roamio PRO, Roamio,

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    I have DONE 4K STREAMING ON MY DISH HOPPER,
    but never on a TiVo, so far.
    I have a 5K iMac 27" screen that I can watch 4K videos on.
    I have watched 4K videos on my iMac and there is a much sharper picture over HDTV.
    but I have not found a Good TiVo Desktop for Mac that will run on my new iMac with OSX 10.10.3. or my Mac Book Pro OSX 10.10.3.

     
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  19. Carlos_E

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    UHD and HDR is coming to cable sooner than you think.


     
  20. dougdingle

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    The Comcast announcement is, at least at the moment, about streaming only, with your 'personalized playlists' residing on their servers. This is no different from what Netflix is doing and Amazon Prime may soon be doing, it seems to me - it's just IPTV over cable instead of being converted to CAT-6 by the cable modem. No mention anywhere of a 4K capable DVR.

    As for HDR, the 'increased color, contrast and brightness' is only able to give you the full benefit of all its majesty if both ends of the wire support it. Which is to say, you'll need a new TV/monitor capable of displaying HDR and the broader dynamic range and color space for that immersive experience.

    All this stuff is likely to come sooner or later. But there are issues to solve, not the least of which is how much total bandwidth will be consumed when lots of people start streaming high quality HDR capable 4K, and how the people supplying your Internet will charge for it.
     

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