Series 3 vs. Dish ViP622?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by Nate, Aug 3, 2007.

  1. Nate

    Nate New Member

    Mar 4, 2002
    Houston, TX


    I have a S3 now, and I really like it. I only have 1 TV, and use the basic TiVo functions of recording 2 programs and having Wishlists. I got TiVo about 4 months after it came out and have owned an S1, S2, and S3. But I'm really starting to hate Comcast, and Dish HD has so much more programming. I'm scared to death of any non-TiVo DVR. They're not perfect, but the interface is nice, clean, and functional.

    Has anyone spent a decent amount of time with these 2 DVRs? I can't find a good comparison. I don't care if the S3 is 90% perfect and the 622 is 85% perfect. I just want to know if I'll think the 622 will suck and forever regret my decision.
  2. bkdtv

    bkdtv New Member

    Jan 9, 2003
    DC Metro Area
    The Vip622 is a nice DVR. The guide is nicer than Tivo's -- it actually uses widescreen to provide three hours of guide information -- although the DVR functionality doesn't offer the same level of usability as Tivo. The Dish Vip622 DVR is probably the second-best DVR on the market behind Tivo. It is a significant improvement over Comcast's own DVR.

    Be aware that by switching to Dish, you give up full-resolution, high-bitrate HDTV. Dish downconverts their 1920x1080 HDTV to 1280x1080. They squeeze three HD channels in the same space that Comcast uses for two. In a few cases, they squeeze nearly two HD channels in the same space as one Comcast HD channel. If you have a relatively small screen (40"), you may not notice, but the difference is very obvious on larger (55+") screens.

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  3. kb7oeb

    kb7oeb Member

    Jan 18, 2005
    I think the 622 beats tivo when it comes to its EPG, its very fast and flags shows that are going to be recorded and to what tuner right in the guide.

    Its got 2 satellite and 1 antenna tuner(s) and can record from all three at the same time

    It has two independent outputs and two remotes, it lets one box work with an HD and SD set and tv dvr recordings are shared between the tvs.

    Tivo's wishlist works a lot better than DishPass, Dish's search feature doesn't let you filter out unsubscribed and PPV sometimes making it much harder to find what you want.

    I agree with above comment about Dish reducing its HD quality, none of the channels IMHO have the HD sharpness they used to. It may improve when dish finishes converting its mpeg2 HD channels to mpeg4 but to date they have never restored a channels resolution once they have decreased it.

    If you looking at Voom don't let it be the deciding factor, I find the occasional thing to watch on Voom but I wouldn't miss it either.

    If you go with Dish and can use an antenna I'd keep your S3 for local channels, and the 622 for "cable" channels. It should save you $5 from dish if you don't subscribe to locals.
  4. davecramer74

    davecramer74 New Member

    Mar 17, 2006
    ya, the dish network dvr is pretty nice. My cousin has one. As for the HD picture quality, i couldnt tell on his sony DLP. It looked fine to me. You might be able to tell if you had comcast running side by side with them. But it looked great and personally id take a little reduction in quality if im getting 35+ channels. Only reason im not with dish is because i cant get line of sight.
  5. cowboys2002

    cowboys2002 Well-Known Member

    Jun 15, 2001
    Cypress, TX


    Nope, most of Houston has SBC or some smaller company...
  6. hockeyinsd

    hockeyinsd New Member

    Sep 22, 2005
    I do not have (nor have ever had) a S3, but I did go from a S2 to a DISH 622. Its a solid DVR. Its not a Tivo though. I have my other S2 still in my bedroom, and it has the vast majority of my SP and wishlists (as it always had). The HDTV is in the living room, and I pretty much only watch HD shows on it. If it is in SD, I'm watching on my tivo. Granted, I don't have too many SP (or DishPASS as dish calls it) set up on my HDTV, mostly Discovery HD and Nat'l Geo HD shows, hockey and of course Hell's Kitchen. I think I have 13 SP set up on the 622. Overall I would rate the 622 as a poor man's tivo. It does things in a similar manner, does what it needs to, but not much more.

    That being said, there are a couple of things that grind on me about the 622. The first is that when you go to record something from the program grid, most of the time it defaults to "all episodes." I then end up with a million recordings of Soundstage, instead of the one episode I wanted. One would think they would set the default when you record from the program grid to just that single episode. The second thing that always bothers me is the fact that if you are watching live tv, go into something you recorded, then drop back to live tv, the recording buffer starts then. When you are watching something you recorded, it does not record to the buffer unless you tell it to record that program. Not a big deal, but sometimes with my tivo, I'll come home, see a program I like starting, tune to the channel, go watch something I've already recorded, then drop back to live tv to watch the show and FF through the commercials. This also bugs me when I drop back to live tv from watching a recorded show and the show that it live looks interesting, so I go to rewind only to remember that I can't. Annoying, but I've gotten used to it. The one other thing that really, pisses me off is that it would seem that the 622 doesn't show live TV by playing it off the hard drive. I believe that it is always recording to the buffer, but if you are in live tv, it is not coming from the buffer, but from the decoded stream. How do I know this (or believe this)? Well, I watch a lot of hockey, am a huge Kings fan, have the center ice package, etc. When the Kings play the Ducks in Anaheim, the Ducks broadcast team gets the game (no Bob Miller!) I can't stand the ducks announcers, so I usually listen on the radio or internet and sync it with the tv broadcast. If the radio/internet broadcast is less than 3/4 seconds behind the tv broadcast, there is no way to sync them. If you get within 4 seconds of live tv, the 622 jumps to live tv. You have to be watching at least 4 seconds behind. Never had this problem with the tivo.

    Sorry to ramble on, but its those couple of things that piss me off. That being said, its a solid DVR, although lacking on storage space. Soon dish is supposed to allow you to hook up an external USB drive to save recordings to, but it will cost $40 to enable it. I do like how quickly the guide responds compared to my S2. If you can live with the HD-lite dish has (I notice PQ issues at times), the 622 is a good DVR. Its no tivo, but since I still use my S2 for the majority of SP, it works for me.
  7. bkdtv

    bkdtv New Member

    Jan 9, 2003
    DC Metro Area

    Now is not the best time to switch providers. A significant number of HD channels are coming before the end of the year. The provider with the most channels now won't necessarily be the provider with the most HD channels (or the most desirable channels) in the three months. Some providers are 'saving' their bandwidth for new channels they feel are more worthwhile. Others don't yet have the bandwidth to add all the new channels that are on the way.

    I would wait until the end of the year to see how things shakeup, otherwise you may find yourself regretting your decision. With the satellite providers, you typically have to commit to 1-2 years, and you're stuck with that contract after your 30 day evaluation period, so you want to be reasonably sure that you'll be satisfied with the switch:

    High-definition channels coming soon:

    Animal Planet
    The Science Channel

    Cinemax (MoreMAX)
    HBO (HBO2, HBO Family, HBO Signature)
    Starz (Starz Comedy, Starz Edge, and Starz Kids)
    The Weather Channel


    Cartoon Network
    USA Network

    Tennis Channel

    1Q '07
    ABC Family
    Disney Channel
    Toon Disney

    Dish Network will add the first group this month, and DirecTV will begin adding channels in September, but they won't be the only ones. You can also expect to see most of these channels on Comcast, FiOS, and other cable providers in the coming months.

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